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Warped Tour 2002...

#41
Yeah, sounds like your first time at an outside concert. You should know by now that the people get paid because of the food and drinks there.

Oh and a question for all those old school punks or sex pistols lovers or what not, what do you call punk music with skillful playing? (Anti-Flag, AFI, Face to Face, ect ect)

Because if all that crap with 3 chords is dead, then I'm glad, but it'd be a shame to call it punk.
 
#42
Originally posted by Ad Nauseam



Besides, ...etc... being as bold as to say that an entire subculture died with the end of a band is pretty ridiculous.
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Now I understand your user tag.

My initial response was somewhat sarcastic, my follow up was simply to expain my point regarding the Sex Pistols, and for what its worth, although quite counter culture and such in its feeling and lifestyle most modern punk bores me.
The hardcore scene is a little too out there for me, people getting naked and wrapping themselves with barbed wire to go hit each other with spiked bats in the pit is odd. Emo makes no sense to me, isn't all rock and roll supposed to be emotional? Isn't that part of the point. The last time I felt 'with it' was during the third wave ska phase, even though I felt cheated when ska-core morphed into ska-punk.
And although I like lots of new music I don't feel that anybody has done anything especially groundbreaking in music, any genre, since the late seventies/early eighties.
Just to put things in perspective though the music that I play its straight up power pop/ new school punk. Cock rock. Nothing but songs about girls backed by three chords exploding out of amps turned up to 11. So I can tend to be a bit hippocritical at times.

"you'll get whacked in a bloody attack, watch your back when the sods attack" - the Bloody Sods, South ATL's finest in hardcore street punk.
 
#43
Lefty,
I've probably been to more outdoor concerts than you have been to indoor ones. This one was absolutely the biggest rip-off of them all, with the least amount of entertainment to show for it.

Punk with skillful playing I call "PUNK, WITH SKILLFUL PLAYING". Imagine that. I call it like I hear it.
Funny that you mention Anti-Flag, since I just turned a friend onto them the other day. In my record collection you would find Afi "shut your mouth and open your eyes" on orange vinyl, plus a few compilations with them before nitro turned them into the sorry state that they are in right now.
However, I never did and never will care for Face to Face.

BTW, what do you think Anti-flag and Afi would sound like if it weren't for Sex Pistols, The Stooges, The Misfits, The Damned, DK, Black Flag, etc.? Don't dismiss the importance of a genre's roots.

So when you go to WT and you're dying of thirst, and the only place that has water charges at least $2.50 for it but will gladly charge you only a dollar if you scoop dirty ice water out of their bucket... think back to this thread.
It's just how they get paid, right?:rolleyes:


I'm doubting THOMAS can read,
Your post didn't portray sarcasm, it portrayed idiocy. Your snide remark regarding my user name portrays sarcasm. (BTW, was it my words or just the repetitive pattern that caught your attention?) Your remark about the lack of groundbreaking music since the early 80's portrays either Ignorance or stubborn sentimental attachment to that era. Since you play in a pop-punk band of sorts, I would have to conclude that you're just ignorant.

MacLaren didn't kill the spirit of Punk, he capitalized on it. Sid was a p.o.s. dumba$$ who couldn't even tune a bass, let alone play it. Do you think it really mattered to other Punk bands like The Stooges or Exploited *** the Pistols were doing? They went on with or without them just fine.

It was mainstream that said that Punk was dead with the pistols, just like it's mainstream that says punk is all about girls and beach parties now. Mainstream told us that Grunge died with Kurt Cobain, but tell that to all the kids who are saving up for a Fender Jaguar while sporting their flannels in some leaky-roofed Seattle garage. Kudos to them for not listening to MTV. If it didn't die with Mother Love Bone why should it die with Nirvana?

Do you see the connections? Punk was around before the Pistols were even an idea. When the Pistols came about, they were marketed to shock the masses. They were a good band (minus Sid) but they were sadly displayed as *THE* punk revolution by ignorant mainstream journalists. (Even though Punk was a term coined to describe THE STOOGES and their adjacent subculture, years before).

Now poularity has a strange effect when it dies in one form or another. The Mainstream masses think of the entire genre as "dead", despite it's strong existence BEFORE it became popular.
Contrary to that ignorant belief, things do not "die" just because they aren't popular anymore.

Anyone who thinks that it should, or concludes that it does, should be an MTV executive and not a musician.

~Ad
 
#44
Why can't people listen to punk and be happy with it? If it isn't 3 chord bam bam bam they complain that its new school and not really punk. No one wants to admit that musically punk is rather stagnant. In twenty five years jazz changes its ideas on meter, key, chord structure, etc... Punk has gone from singers who shout to singers who whine. I know I am over simplifying the whole thing but I thyink that most 'punks' have turned punk into a sacred chao.
I'm as annoyed by the hot topic mall punks as everyone but at the same time I think its odd when people claim that there former favorite band has just sold out just because you can buy that band's t-shirts at hot topics.

Besides, if it ain't country, it ain't music.
-Thomas
(If anybody knows where I can find an "if it ain't country, it ain't music" t-shirt please tell me!)
 
#45
Originally posted by thomas
If it isn't 3 chord bam bam bam they complain that its new school and not really punk.
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You seem to be the only one posting who follows this obscure notion, since you have posted a few times declaring that "Punk is dead".


Originally posted by thomas
No one wants to admit that musically punk is rather stagnant. In twenty five years jazz changes its ideas on meter, key, chord structure, etc... Punk has gone from singers who shout to singers who whine.
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Sounds like you are contradicting your opening statement through hypocrisy, while having little weight for either argument. Maybe you're looking for a troll door prize?

Originally posted by thomas

I know I am over simplifying the whole thing but I thyink that most 'punks' have turned punk into a sacred chao.
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Yes you are and yes it should be. It is an established fact that Punk is a subculture, not just a musical genre.

Originally posted by thomas

I'm as annoyed by the hot topic mall punks as everyone but at the same time I think its odd when people claim that there former favorite band has just sold out just because you can buy that band's t-shirts at hot topics.
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It takes more then getting your t-shirt in a Hot Topics to be labled a sell out. Selling Out is when you compramise your musical ideas in favor of "tried and true" song structures and marketing tactics.

~Ad
 
#46
Blink 182 went to mainstream and MTV, but i still like their older stuff.

Bad Religion opened for blink for a tour and obviously got alot of exposure to new people, but I'm still a huge fan of theirs.

I saw a Finch shirt at Hot Topic, but I still like them.

Green Day has their own cell phone cover, but i still like them too.

i still dont think punk is dead, nor will it ever.

I own a few pairs of dickies and vans, its what i like, and i'm gonna wear em even if they are whats popular now and MTV-punks wear them. i wear what i like.

Thus said, i'm not sure if im down for this whole punk subculture. i'm not going to stop liking bands because of mainstream exposure or whatnot. Music is freeking music, people.
 
#48
I went to the St. Louis leg of the Warped Tour, and you just have to know what to expect when you go. I went expecting to see 4 good bands, and i saw 5. I knew the beverage prices would be outlandish, and i was right. This was how i survived the day.

During the 3 hours where no good bands performed, i sat in the shade and found a kid with a VIP pass and made him get me some free hot dogs(well worth the wait.)

Bought one bottle of water, and just refilled it repeatedly in the sink.

Looked for bands I hadn't heard of, and checked them out to see how good they were.(Discovered two incredible bands.)

I guess it all just boils down to how creative you are with your free time. I personally have no life, so i can come up with lots of things to do.
 
#51
I talked to my friend Leanor Ortega (from Five Iron Frenzy) yesterday. FIF is going to be going on the warped tour soon. We talked some about the general state of the WT.
I can see how it's good for some lesser known bands to get exposure, I just wish that the people running the whole thing had some more appealing things to offer besides teasers from a few good bands. I can't stand the whole Orange County attitude that overwhelms the place, and how people running motorola booths shout at you as you walk by, while the anti-racism booth could care less.
Supergreg, I found your story particularly funny. When I saw WT they had a rasta band in the line up... can't recall their name, but they were incouraging the crowd to toke it up. The "herb of wisdom" they called it. I fail to see the wisdom you gain from it, all I ever gained was lbs from munchie binges.
But the hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

I never expected much from the WT but I was still let down. If you enjoy all the bands and don't believe in the punk way of life too much, then it is an OK show. Just don't go there if you expect to hear/see/read anything enlightening.

~Ad
 
#52
Originally posted by Ad Nauseam
More than one person asked me if I was in one of the bands, handfulls of various CD's to be signed if I were.
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You should have told them yes and signed their s**t for 'em.

:D

Sorry you had such a bad time. The only "real" punks I've ever seen were at the last Misfits show I went to. I got some pretty weird stares for being "normal."
 
#53
After all the things said about the warped tour in this thread I wasnt looking forward to it that much. When I got there it was already 12 and Thursday was playing at 12:30 so I was starting to worry cuz I really wanted to see them. We got in at 1:15 which meant I already missed Thursday. Me and my friend started walking around and I heard private eye playing, so i said Alkaline Trio! Me and my friend ran to see the last 2 songs they played. Then we walked around for awhil and saw Guttermouth at 2:20. After that we saw everyone crowding around the Thursday booth and we found out that the drummer was signing autographs and all that. So I went and got a warped tour program and he signed it and I took a picture with him. He was a nice guy. Then we went to the Against All Authority booth and met their guitar player. I forget what we did after all that but at 4:20 we saw The Casualties play. Later on I saw Jorge (casualties singer) walking around and took a picture with him and met their bass player at the booth later one. At 5:30 MXPX played. After we met up with my brother and his girlfriend we went to go see some of Reel Big Fish. After that we walked around somemore and we met and got autographs with No Use For A Name. Then NOFX played at 7. They were great and made tons of jokes. At 7:30 Bad Religion played, which I had been waiting for all day. They played great and played some of my favorite BR songs. The only bad part of the day was that it was all gravel parking lot so when people moshed or jumped around there was smoke everywhere and that everything was expensive. Luckily NOFX was selling water for $2 at their booth instead of the $4 water. All in all i thought it was really fun and im definetly gonna go next year.
 

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