Was there any good punk rock?

[ElectroVibe]

I admit that I used to love the Ramones when I was a kid, but I don't really get most of it beyond that.

Just because something caused a big sensation doesn't mean that it had value. And it seems like the people who went to the concerts were always trying to find some new experience to make them happy. And it never really happened if they still talk about the past.

What do you think.

 

[Gorn]

I admit that I used to love the Ramones when I was a kid, but I don't really get most of it beyond that

I thought they stunk as a kid and I agree with young me.

Just because something caused a big sensation doesn't mean that it had value.

Sure. I suppose. But musical value is subjective, don't you think?

And it seems like the people who went to the concerts were always trying to find some new experience to make them happy

I think people generally go to concerts because they enjoy them/make them happy. Seems reasonable.

And it never really happened if they still talk about the past.

I'm not sure it follows that if someone talks about a happy experience from the past that it wasn't actually happy because they're talking about it.

What do you think.

I think this series of questions and musings doesn't seem to relate to the thread title.

 

[knumbskull]

It had value for a lot of people.

 

[bolophonic]

I’ve been listening to mostly punk and hardcore bands since the mid-80’s. That’s 35+ years of also listening to people constantly question the value of the music I enjoy. Imagine how many times in 35 years that someone has explained to me directly that the music, art and culture is meaningless. Sometimes they pose it as a question before dismissing it: “Does this have any merit? OF COURSE IT DOESN’T”

Right here in this thread, the entire premise seems to be framed around casting doubts about my motivations for going to see bands that I am curious about, or assuming that reminiscing about good times somehow negates the experience. Does anyone try to start conversations with you this way about things that are important to you? Do you think your reaction would change after hearing the same basic junk repeated over and over by people who weren’t even interested in the answer?

Honestly, if you wanted to learn about an under appreciated genre of music, you could frame the query in a way that isn’t loaded with contempt and maybe try to invite some enthusiasm. I realize that isn’t your style, though.

 

[fhm555]

Value is a broad term when talking music. Are we talking monetary value, social value, value to music itself, personal satisfaction.

 

[ElectroVibe]

If something that supposedly has so much value, can actually hurt the person who loves it if they hear a differing opinion, doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Tanner5382]

The first Fear album has comic value and some good songs. That’s really the only punk I ever got in to.

 

[marchone]

I liked early Gang Of Four. Primitive and powerful.

 

[chazolson]

The only band I still listen to, from the DIY side of punk, is the Ramones. You get a lot of forgiveness for not being all that great on your instrument if all your songs are 2 minutes long. Other than that, if your band just cranks out two or three chords over and over, I will find you tiresome in a hurry.

 

[Fernando Costa]

Musical (artistic) value is subjective, musical (technical) value I think not. It's a matter of personal taste and artistic appreciation, which is different for everyone, but it's also a technical issue for music professionals, it can be "judged" or measured by qualified people. I'm from the "classic rock" era, then I started working professionally, and I was never interested in punk rock because I always thought it was very poorly made, which is different from bad music.

 

[Michedelic]

I admit that I used to love the Ramones when I was a kid, but I don't really get most of it beyond that.

Just because something caused a big sensation doesn't mean that it had value. And it seems like the people who went to the concerts were always trying to find some new experience to make them happy. And it never really happened if they still talk about the past.

What do you think.

Define “good”.

 

[micguy]

Rock and Roll began as a bunch of young kids who had a little talent (not a lot) and a lot of teen/young adult angst and energy, flailing away expressing the feelings of being young. Punk is very much in that vein.

It wasn’t a genre I embraced wholeheartedly, but like any sub-genre, there are good and bad tunes and bands, and nobody gets to be the “authority” and tell you which is which.

 

[Grinderman]

Value?



I don't care. What you value doesn't matter to me.

 

[Rib 13]

theres a LOT of skilled and talented bass players in 00s punk rock......Chris 2 of AntiFlag is just one of many examples

as far as punk rocks value? In my opinion (and for discussions sake), Id say it had tremendous value: If you think about it, by the mid-70s, many bands were all millionaire rockstars -- and because of this, in a lot of ways, their message wasnt the same by the time their successful fourth, fifth, and sixth albums came out (Nuevo riche communicating with working classes) ....and theres a lot of bands that seemed to lose their earlier wilder "fire" after their first bankroll....If anything, punk rock's value was a swift kick into that kind of complacency. Just IMO...YMMV

 

[Grinderman]

 

[ElectroVibe]

Value?



I don't care. What you value doesn't matter to me.

Good luck

 

[Grinderman]

The past?



This is today, hello?

 

[J_Bass]

Right here in this thread, the entire premise seems to be framed around casting doubts about my motivations for going to see bands that I am curious about, or assuming that reminiscing about good times somehow negates the experience. Does anyone try to start conversations with you this way about things that are important to you? Do you think your reaction would change after hearing the same basic junk repeated over and over by people who weren’t even interested in the answer?

Honestly, if you wanted to learn about an under appreciated genre of music, you could frame the query in a way that isn’t loaded with contempt and maybe try to invite some enthusiasm. I realize that isn’t your style, though.

As usual, with this user.

 

[SunnBass]

If you have to ask then it's not the genre for you.
Stay out of the pit 'cause I'm comin' for ya.

 

[Paul Corrosion]

For those who don't know, John Peel was probably the UK's most widely respected champion of non-mainstream music. For a band to be granted a John Peel live session was the greatest honour and some of the greatest bands became successful on his recommendation. His favourite song of all time was "Teenage Kicks" by The Undertones, hence the first line of the song on his headstone. In short, not a man I'd argue with about whether any punk was good.