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Weekend warrior PA set up thread.. what are you using?

#81
My system is a bit out there. I use a Mackie DL32R Digital Mixer. I originally got the QSC sub but was unable to get a second one so went with the matching 12" subs. I can add in the QSC for larger events.

The QSC CP8's are great monitors.

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I will show the rest.
 
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#82
I have a simple little duo but want to share my major love for the Behringer FLOW8 digital mixer. It is just perfect for our application. Compression on every channel, output limiting, two effects engines, two monitor sends, and Bluetooth control. The rest is:

(2) QSC CP12
(2) Behringer B1200D Subs
Mackie Thump12 Monitor (guitar)
Shure SE425 IEMs (me)
(2) Sennheiser e935
(4) Super cheap LED PAR lights (two on mains, two behind)

Super clean and simple. I use the FLOW8 basically as a stage box and control with my iPad mini. Guitar and bass run direct into the mixer, I have Tech21 and Fishman preamps and they just aren’t needed. The system has enormous headroom and sounds great. Sorry about the shorts and bare feet, it was soooo stupid hot that night with three of the four hours in direct sun!

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#84
We are running
Mackie ProFX16v3 16-channel USB mixer
2 1300w Mackie Thump 12a Speakers
backup PA Alto Pro Zmx122fx 8 channel Mixer and two TS310 2000w speakers
JBL powered Monitors
Wireless mics
TC Helicon Mic Mech 2
drummer uses a Behringer Eurolive B205D 150W 5.25 inch Powered Monitor Speaker
I run IEM (guitarist won't give up his marshall) whatever class D amp head carvin 2*10 or no speaker cab or if no amp gig SansAmp Bass Driver DI V2 just starting to using Rolls MP50Se personal monitor before that I used Behringer POWERPLAY P2 Ultra

and wired 5 driver Westone Pro X50 or 5 driver KZ AS10 IEM as backup you never know :)
 
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#85
Jam band trio. Bag End two way mains. Usually the TA12's but we have some big 15"s on hand.
Running vocals through them, mostly. Sometimes guest keys and percussion, harmonica, etc.
Monitors are currently 1 JBL MR902 12" and two Yorkville Elite 12".
Presonus 16.0.4 through two QSC GX7's. Mono mains mix, three monitor mixes.
My Bass rig serves as stage sound and FOH. GK700RBii through a pair of Bag End S15D Cabs. Guitarist runs a Hot Rod Deluxe. Drums get a kick mic and a snare, but I'm moving towards running an OH instead of snare.

Bigger shows have PA and sound
 
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#86
NickFromNY said:
Ideally we'd all have gigs where there would be a quality sound engineer running the board for you. When that's not possible, however, what is everyone using for sound? I am back playing in a band for the first time in a while and trying out a few things to see what is going to work. I usually play solo acoustic and my PA for that is very simple. I am open to ideas and discussion about what you band guys are using. I've been trying some of the Ipad controlled stuff with mixed results. Not here to re-hash digital vs analog, etc..

I am talking your own PA, running your own sound from the stage. Generally, are you playing bars? Outdoors? What is your set up? What mixer and speakers? What are you mic'ing? How many monitor mixes are you running?

Still searching for the right mixer, but I have the following speakers:
2- Yamaha DXR 12s
2- Yamaha DXR 10s
1- EV 12" sub
1- Behringer 12" sub
2- EV Evolve 50s ( I use these more for my solo stuff)

for my 4 piece band, I mic 3 vocals, lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass DI, Kick and snare. We try to keep stage volume down. Lead guitarist mostly plays a mic'd Princeton Reverb. Bassist uses a Rumble 500 combo.
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Soundcraft UI24R
JBL PRX 712 mains
QSC Ksub
EON 612
LINE 6 210T
 
#87
Don’t have all the model names, but here’s the gist of it:
QSC amp (400w I think?)
Yamaha 16 channel mixer
2 Carvin 15s (mains)
3 JBL powered 12s (monitors)

Easy setup, sounds great. We use this for 4 piece blues, and a 4 piece country band. All stringed instruments use amps except banjo (mic’d.) sometimes the drummer brings cajon which we mic, no need for mic on the kit. Mostly small bars, outdoor concerts, breweries and wineries:

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#89
We have an Allen&Heath ZED22FX board going into 2) QSC K12.2 mains.

I just ordered a JBL Eon718s powered subwoofer.

I had a question: which should I hook in first from the board?

The qsc mains have a filter and sub setting that could let them potentially be first with a through-out to the sub. The sub could also be first in the chain with through-outs to the mains.

Am I in error on this? Is there a preferred method?
 
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mellobud said:
We have an Allen&Heath ZED22FX board going into 2) QSC K12.2 mains.

I just ordered a JBL Eon718s powered subwoofer.

I had a question: which should I hook in first from the board?

The qsc mains have a filter and sub setting that could let them potentially be first with a through-out to the sub. The sub could also be first in the chain with through-outs to the mains.

Am I in error on this? Is there a preferred method?
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I don't have any experience with either of you speakers but the common method is to run your main mix into your subs then out to your mains. Use the crossover filter on your subs to pass through what you want going to your mains. The other alternative is aux fed subs. This is where you send your main mix out to your tops and use the mixer filters. Then use an aux channel to send the sub frequencies to your subs. This is a little more complicated.
 
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#92
Quick (hopefully) Sub/Mains crossover question.

I just pulled the trigger on an EV EKX15SP to go with my current QSC K10.2 tops. It will be replacing a Yamaha DXS15mkII that I have been borrowing from a friend.

Just before I bought the EV, I realized it uses a DSP LPF as opposed to a crossover. The possible LPF settings are 80hz, 100hz, 120hz, 150hz. The low passes are 24 dB/octave Linkwitz/Riley slopes.

So, my question is, given the fairly steep 24dB/octave slope of the EV LPF, do I need to reconsider where I set my QSC K10.2 tops ? ....

I've been setting the K10.2's at 100hz when using a Yamaha DXS15mkII, but that sub has a crossover vs an LPF and I want to avoid a freq coverage hole with the new sub. The QSC's are pretty solid down to 100hz, and have worked well with the Yamaha sub in my application, but they probably roll off pretty meaningfully at 80hz.

thoughts from the collective experience of TB Live Sound ?
 
#94
yeah, listening is the best way of course, and I'll be doing some of that too. Just thought I'd ask here too. Various experienced folks have offered tons of insight into these kinds of questions.

FWIW, the QSC K10.2 crossover choices are 80hz, 100hz, 125hz, where the EV LPF choices are 80hz, 100hz, 120hz, 150hz.

I really don't want to go down a rabbit hole on this, just want to avoid both a gap in the lows, or over emphasizing lows between the tops and subs.

I'm thinking I'll stick with 100hz on both and see how that goes first.
 
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#95
It looks like you have more cross over options thru the sub. I would run your mains to your sub then out to your tops. Start with 100hz like you suggested and adjust up if you feel there is too much low end going thru your tops. You shouldn’t need to use the crossover on your tops since the sub will filter it for you. Just make sure you double check your setup in their manual.
 
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#96
I was talking with a friend of mine who has many years of live sound and studio experience, and he suggested that the difference between LPF/HPF vs an actual crossover would likely be about 12dB/octave. The LPF on the EV sub is 24dB/octave (which is a pretty reasonably steep slope) so I should not have much concern about creating a "freq hole" between the K10.2 tops and the EV sub.

Your other point about not needing to use the HPF on the QSC's (and I'm pretty sure it's also an HPF and NOT a crossover) is somewhat confusing to me. I have been setting the K10.2's at 100hz (so they roll off pretty hard below 100hz), and my current sub (Yamaha DXS15mkII) set at 100hz (so it rolls off pretty hard above 100hz). Is this not the correct way to do this ? I suppose it makes a certain amount of sense; if I route my mixer mains signal into the sub, then set the sub LPF at 100hz, the output connection to the mains will just not have much info below 100hz and the mains will handle all the signal they get. Perhaps not much need to HPF the mains at 100hz as well.

this stuff can be complicated at times :cool:
 
#97
When I say crossover I mean HPF/LPF. If you set your subs filter at 100Hz, it will only pass a signal to your tops above 100Hz. Everything below that will play through your sub so there really isn't a need to also set it on your tops. There is nothing wrong with setting the HPF/LPF on both and it shouldn't affect your sound as long as they both match. You can view it at extra protection in case you accidentally disabled the subs LPF. You would only have a freq hole if they didn't match. I was just pointing out that you don't need to do it on both, if your signal path is sub > sub lpf > tops.

Sorry if I made it confusing.
 
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#98
For one band the vox bring Meyer UPA for vox only.
It will do outside but only if the band is backline and kit is decent.
Probably do ok for 200 in a small type arrangement...ie a venue terrace or garden. This is popular here in the summer.

Another band runs Nexo PS 10 with subs which is a small theatre rig within reason.
That does well too as both systems have exceptional vox clarity. Don't usually bother running the band through that except keys and kick.

I have a third band getting ready and the p.a optiins on the table currently are;
QSC k8 or 10's.
Nexo PS8 or 10's
This needs to be compact and light.

Something the Meyer and Nexo with subs isnt for my needs.
I'm thinking QSC K8 which can double as monitors for the other two bands if required.
The vox need the final say on that.
The brief is compact and light with not too big a downgrade in quality as imv, Nexo and Meyer are a different league.
 

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