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Weekend warrior PA set up thread.. what are you using?
- Thread starter NickFromNY
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Oh man! Varies a little bit, but always includes:
These Bones, by the Fairfield Four (amazing clear bass vocal!)
Welcome to the Fold, by Filter
Just Like You, by Celldweller
Gift For You, also by Celldweller
Trains, by Porcupine Tree
Dogman, or Pretend, off King's X Dogman album
Slow Dancing in a Burning Room, by John Mayer
Women or Rocket, by Def Leppard
Songs that I am familiar with, have great production and Frequency ranges, that go from quiet and clean to loud, etc.
QSC - all the way 
2 - K10.2
2 - K8.2
2 - CP12
2 - CP8
2 - KS112 (subs)
TM16 mixer
TM30 Pro mixer (not in pic)
2 - K10.2
2 - K8.2
2 - CP12
2 - CP8
2 - KS112 (subs)
TM16 mixer
TM30 Pro mixer (not in pic)
I just picked up one of these as well, and in testing I've been pretty impressed with it. Looking forward to getting it out into the wild soon.
QSC - all the way
2 - K10.2
2 - K8.2
2 - CP12
2 - CP8
2 - KS112 (subs)
TM16 mixer
TM30 Pro mixer (not in pic)
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How do you rate the CP8's.
I'm guessing monitors, but I'm looking for a vox only solution and wonder if they'll handle lead vox out front.
The criteria here is light and compact with an acceptable trade off in quality against bigger, heavier and more expensive tops like Yam DXR10 or Nexo PS8 or 10's.
The band that uses these will value weight and size but not to the point of low quality.
Not really. SVT is set to about "2" and the guitar player with 2 amps is typically running them in 5 watts mode. Drums are far louder than the amplifiers. I need guitars in my wedge or I'd never hear them well enough with a drummerOoof. With an Ampeg fridge, two guitar amps for one guy, and two guitar cabs for the other, you should only need the PA for vocals and drums.Throw in old-school wedge monitors and I bet your stage volume is INSANE.
So - before going QSC I was using DBX10’s for FOH & DBR10’s for wedges (I had some 1st gen. DBX 8’s - but they didn’t have angled enclosures for wedges - I think the newer ones do)… then I was using QSC K8.2 for FOH (4 vox, 2 guitars) (with acoustic drums & bass non mic’d). They handled it well (we mostly play in 250, or less, bars, etc). I, then mixed & matched the K8’s with CP8’s… the ‘simple’ difference between the 2 (other than the enclosure material) is that the K’s are 2000w with a digital display, etc… the CP’s are 1000 watts with an analog (dial) EQ, etc. You can find more differences - but you’re not really gonna benefit from 2000w into an 8” driver - so the extra wattage is really a moot point. Some techy guys can find other (legitimate) differences - but the average band (such as us) won’t really notice any difference. Sound quality of either K’s or CP’s is virtually indiscernible.
Hope this is helpful
Thanks, it was. Singer currently uses 8's but I've not heard them. So I was looking to buy some small tops and double them as monitors on other gigs.
Singers p.a is passive though but good point re power ratings through an 8" but not really going to go with current system..maybe?
Good thing is I don't have to rush out to buy just yet now.
Singers p.a is passive though but good point re power ratings through an 8" but not really going to go with current system..maybe?
Good thing is I don't have to rush out to buy just yet now.
Could you get away with using CP8s as monitors with bass in them? (Assuming you put a HPF at about 80-100Hz.) I run ampless and IEMs but that doesn't help the keyboard player on the other side of the stage.So - before going QSC I was using DBX10’s for FOH & DBR10’s for wedges (I had some 1st gen. DBX 8’s - but they didn’t have angled enclosures for wedges - I think the newer ones do)… then I was using QSC K8.2 for FOH (4 vox, 2 guitars) (with acoustic drums & bass non mic’d). They handled it well (we mostly play in 250, or less, bars, etc). I, then mixed & matched the K8’s with CP8’s… the ‘simple’ difference between the 2 (other than the enclosure material) is that the K’s are 2000w with a digital display, etc… the CP’s are 1000 watts with an analog (dial) EQ, etc. You can find more differences - but you’re not really gonna benefit from 2000w into an 8” driver - so the extra wattage is really a moot point. Some techy guys can find other (legitimate) differences - but the average band (such as us) won’t really notice any difference. Sound quality of either K’s or CP’s is virtually indiscernible.
Hope this is helpful
I don’t have CP8s but do have Alto TX208s for monitors. They have enough for the bass to be heard, so the CP8s should as well.
I would not recommend for the drummer, though, if they have a heavy foot. Kick will drown them out easily.
Was interested if you'd moved on from the JBL system to the Bose F1 system and what your results were.
I've a friend whose 6 pcs., very moderate volume, Classic Rock group that plays small clubs and animal clubs has recently went to two of the Bose F1's from a much larger Yahmaha FOH system and have found the Bose inadequate for what they're doing.
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While I can't comment on JBL or Yamaha to the F1, I recently moved from a large lead sled set up with two PV118 Subs and two PV115+horn cabs to a Bose F1 system (two Bose F1s) and after starting from scratch on eq and set up, they are more than adequate for my 3 piece rock band, and have even used them outdoors in a hockey rink and on many many bar shows and hall gigs. We mic/di everything, and I only use a little Ampeg MicroVR for a bass amp. They will perform.
The old system my friend's group were using consisted of two, powered, Yamaha 118" driver subs on each side.
Their tops where, one or two (depending on the size of the area they were covering), powered, Yamaha 115 & horn cabinets on each side.
No clue what model of Yamaha cabinets they were.
They had a full backline of smaller guitar, bass and keyboard amps that all went direct to FOH.
BIG, clear, clean and full sound that projected anywhere they played.
The Bose system they went to uses a 112" (?) sub on each side and a small vertical array for highs and mids, (is that the F-1 system we're talking about?)
The Bose system they have would be great for a small lounge act, public speaking, all acoustic act, ect.
They tried running their backline at low levels along with their vocals into the Bose with bad results.
Compared to what they had, (no offense intended), the Bose sounded like a transistor radio.
Perhaps Bose has a much bigger system that I don't know about?
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Yeah, that is not the F1 system, that is the L1 or one of the other Line array stick systems they have. I researched those and figured exactly like you, not enough power for anything more than a small duo or the like. Thanks to the advice of people here also.
The F1 uses two 10" subs and a top that is 12" with 8 other small speakers with it.
I am not saying it is for everyone, I am just saying it works very well for my 3 piece rock party band and we have done many shows with it (larger/smaller/outdoor - 50 people to 400 people) and never had to push it hard to be heard.
I did a few outdoor shows using the F1 system in bath Maine last summer for the Chocolate Chirch. They lacked a bit in the low end but I liked using the,=m. I found the ability to adjust the angle of the tops came in handy. They are exp. and heavy.
Black Friday coming up, man I'd like to get some more speakers but I'm not sure if I want to keep on the turbosound path given issues with parts etc , really thinking about the EV EKX series, anyone have experience with these?
