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Well, no wonder I got it cheap...

GIBrat51

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Late last year, I bought a late 1980's, left handed Tokai TB 48 Thunderbird. Usually, left handed stuff costs a bit more than the right handed version; most lefty players are very familiar with the "Lefty Surcharge". This one, however, was listed on Reverb for a fair bit less than a righty usually goes for. Should have been a red light, but... I'm a sucker for T-Birds; and, this one filled the "Long Scale Bolt-Neck Bass" Spot in my herd; and the price was... impossible to resist. Plus, the thing looked flawless - other than a teeny, tiny chip on the lower bout - where just about every bass ever made, winds up with a ding. Nothing else - in 40+ years. Should have been another red light, but... well, we all know about GAS...
So, I got it, and... it was/is a beautiful bass. Wasn't sure what kind of flats I wanted on it, so I just gave the set-up a cursory check; tuned it up - emphasis on the "TUNE" - and turned to other things around my 92 y/o house that really needed attention. So, the Tokai sat on a stand for a while.
Forward to a couple of weeks ago: I decided to put a set of Optima 4099RL "Chromes" on it. I like the midrange-focused, low tension (for flats) Dogal R44s on my Gibson T-Bird; on my Kramer 450B Lumie, these Optima's sound and feel very similar. All 3 of these basses are plenty "Old School" thumpy already - even with rounds; so... flats with less low end, more mids and highs were the ticket... All was well, until I tried to intonate the Tokai. Normally, I don't pay a lot of attention to this, for a couple of reasons. One, I have several basses that don't lend themselves to being as intonated as is the norm nowadays. And, way back in the '60s - early '70s when I learned to play, and was in a band, most bass players I knew just... didn't bother. If you never got near the 12th fret... why bother? I play for fun, now; and I play pretty much what I played back then. But, I felt that I should at least hit the intonation a lick, since it was hooked up to my Peterson Strobo-Flip Tuner, anyway. But...
I was surprised to find that I couldn't intonate it - at all. With the G string saddle cranked as far back as it would go, it was getting... sorta close, but that was it. There was no way in Hades that the E, A, & D strings would get anywhere close - unless the saddles were off the back of the bridge. Upon further investigation, I found that the bridge was mounted - at the factory - about 5/8" too far forward. So, it was NEVER intonated - it's entire life. And, apparently nobody cared, and nobody ever tried to fix it - for 40+ years...:wideyed:
So, it is currently disassembled, with the neck, bridge, and control cavity cover off (need some slack in the ground wire; the bridge will be moving). The existing screw holes will be plugged, and painted over; new holes will be drilled 5/8" behind the existing ones; the bridge and the neck (with it's factory sandpaper shim) will go back on; and the TB 48 will get set up; tuned up; and intonated for the first time in it's existence. One curious thing, though...
After looking at the whole mess, and taking some measurements, I realized that - if the bridge was one with the mounting holes in the front? The holes would have been in just the right spot - and there never would have been a problem, at all. Maybe somebody just... looked at the wrong bridge? Or, is this one the "wrong" bridge for this bass...?:rollno:
 
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After forty years the bass will have a new life in your hands (assuming you can get the proper bridge). Look forward to seeing it when it's finished. Good luck.
There's nothing physically wrong with the bridge. It's actually a very nice bridge; sort of a simplified Hipshot A bridge. It might not be the bridge that was supposed to be mounted on this Tokai bass; or, the person that mounted it just mounted it in the wrong place. Doesn't matter, at this point; I just need to re-mount it a little further back - and all will be well...:cool:
Sorry; wish I could oblige. But, I've never been able to figure out how to load pictures on this laptop - much less post them to TB from the thing. My best advice; find a picture of a Burst-finish Tokai TB 48 (there's a bunch of them out there), and imagine that it's a left handed one... That's what it looks like. Actually, it looks an awful lot like my Vintage Burst '13 Gibson T-Bird does - just with a bolt on neck...:cool:

Mod’s should delete posts without pic’s when there should be pic’s! :)
See above. And, I disagree... Why should people who can't post a picture - for any of a dozen reasons - be penalized, just because you don't have another picture to look at. Besides... like I said; mine looks like any other left handed, Burst finish TB 48. there are lots of pictures of them already; the world doesn't need another one...;)

TL;DR version?
OK; just for you...
I bought a left handed, late '80s Tokai TB48 Thunderbird, in spite of the suspiciously low price for a left handed bass, and especially one that was in such nice shape. After I'd had it a while - and playing it occasionally - I put some of my favorite flats on it. In the process of setting it up with those new flats, I discovered that the bass had never been intonated in it's life - and never could be, because the bridge had been mounted 5/8" too far forward. This is probably why the bass is in such beautiful condition - and why I got it so cheap. I'm in the process of correcting the problem; I'm just moving the bridge back to where it belonged in the first place. But, in the process, I noticed that - if the bridge had been one with it's mounting screws in the front, and it had been mounted using the existing holes? It would have been mounted in the correct spot. Which raises the question; did the factory just use the "wrong" bridge - or did the person who mounted the bridge just... screw up?
How's that?:cool:
 
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I wonder if this was an issue on these basses. Check out how the bridge is placed on these 2 pics I found on the web. both are Tokai TB 48s. Poor quality control?
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It seems the OP has done his home work rather complete.
For such a huge mishap there's nothing like a gud factory error... Some guy picked the wrong bridge model and screwed it 'in the right screw holes' and passed it over. He didn't tell 'the chief' because said chief is probably such an a**shole... and guess what was too busy smoking w**d and reading Hustler he didn't even notice. Ah the lovely 80's. Or perhaps the chief was the good guy but the worker a real coyote who just smuggled his awfull deed by the back door direct to the delivery room. It happens this way, too..

Anyway once the good job of identifying the proper bridge, that should be there, is done ; OP should just go on the hunt to find the proper model either new or vintage and screw it in these, indeed, right holes.

Oh, do not forget to keep the actual original bridge at hand if you want to resell this beauty, because a real collector will ask for it...
 
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I wonder if this was an issue on these basses. Check out how the bridge is placed on these 2 pics I found on the web. both are Tokai TB 48s. Poor quality control?
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I did an image search on the TB-48 and there does appear to be quite some variance on the bridge position.
I realise these photos are far from being actual proof of a problem as there may be different bridges for different release years... but the size of the difference is certainly strange.

Here's a lefty with the bridge right near the pickup.
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This one appears to be a bit further back.
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And this one further back again.
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Late last year, I bought a late 1980's, left handed Tokai TB 48 Thunderbird. Usually, left handed stuff costs a bit more than the right handed version; most lefty players are very familiar with the "Lefty Surcharge". This one, however, was listed on Reverb for a fair bit less than a righty usually goes for. Should have been a red light, but... I'm a sucker for T-Birds; and, this one filled the "Long Scale Bolt-Neck Bass" Spot in my herd; and the price was... impossible to resist. Plus, the thing looked flawless - other than a teeny, tiny chip on the lower bout - where just about every bass ever made, winds up with a ding. Nothing else - in 40+ years. Should have been another red light, but... well, we all know about GAS...
So, I got it, and... it was/is a beautiful bass. Wasn't sure what kind of flats I wanted on it, so I just gave the set-up a cursory check; tuned it up - emphasis on the "TUNE" - and turned to other things around my 92 y/o house that really needed attention. So, the Tokai sat on a stand for a while.
Forward to a couple of weeks ago: I decided to put a set of Optima 4099RL "Chromes" on it. I like the midrange-focused, low tension (for flats) Dogal R44s on my Gibson T-Bird; on my Kramer 450B Lumie, these Optima's sound and feel very similar. All 3 of these basses are plenty "Old School" thumpy already - even with rounds; so... flats with less low end, more mids and highs were the ticket... All was well, until I tried to intonate the Tokai. Normally, I don't pay a lot of attention to this, for a couple of reasons. One, I have several basses that don't lend themselves to being as intonated as is the norm nowadays. And, way back in the '60s - early '70s when I learned to play, and was in a band, most bass players I knew just... didn't bother. If you never got near the 12th fret... why bother? I play for fun, now; and I play pretty much what I played back then. But, I felt that I should at least hit the intonation a lick, since it was hooked up to my Peterson Strobo-Flip Tuner, anyway. But...
I was surprised to find that I couldn't intonate it - at all. With the G string saddle cranked as far back as it would go, it was getting... sorta close, but that was it. There was no way in Hades that the E, A, & D strings would get anywhere close - unless the saddles were off the back of the bridge. Upon further investigation, I found that the bridge was mounted - at the factory - about 5/8" too far forward. So, it was NEVER intonated - it's entire life. And, apparently nobody cared, and nobody ever tried to fix it - for 40+ years...:wideyed:
So, it is currently disassembled, with the neck, bridge, and control cavity cover off (need some slack in the ground wire; the bridge will be moving). The existing screw holes will be plugged, and painted over; new holes will be drilled 5/8" behind the existing ones; the bridge and the neck (with it's factory sandpaper shim) will go back on; and the TB 48 will get set up; tuned up; and intonated for the first time in it's existence. One curious thing, though...
After looking at the whole mess, and taking some measurements, I realized that - if the bridge was one with the mounting holes in the front? The holes would have been in just the right spot - and there never would have been a problem, at all. Maybe somebody just... looked at the wrong bridge? Or, is this one the "wrong" bridge for this bass...?:rollno:
Hey Brat, sounds like a great rare Bird. You’ll get it sorted. Please show it off over in the club.
 

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