What am I missing in this measure?

[LBS-bass]

Key of Bb, bass clef 4/4

Aren't the last two notes the same tone, since the E is flat? I understand that in certain temperaments they would be different but this is written for bass. Why would you write it like this? Why not B D E E? Is this just to convey the upward movement of the overall passage? I'm confused. Maybe it's just to test to see if I play this correctly?

You guys are going to get sick of me asking questions in this forum.

 

[mambo4]

seems like an mistaken attempt to describe a chromatic run from the 3rd
they probably meant Bb D D# E
What follows next measure may give clues

Can't see the key signature, is it truly 2 flats? It's not key of F by chance?

 

[LBS-bass]

seems like an mistaken attempt to describe a chromatic run from the 3rd
they probably meant Bb D D# E
What follows next measure may give clues

Can't see the key signature, is it truly 2 flats? It's not key of F by chance?

It's the third measure in this line:

It's a lesson, so my gut tells me it's just a test to get me to ask this question, and to see if I don't play two different notes there.

 

[Lee Moses]

I agree, that's almost certainly supposed to be an E natural in the last note of that bar.

 

[Don Kasper]

It's the third measure in this line:

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Just put the missing "Natural" sign in front of the "E" note. "E natural"is a great note in support of a Bb7 chord moving to an F7 chord.
IMFO.
Thx.

 

[LBS-bass]

I agree, that's almost certainly supposed to be an E natural in the last note of that bar.

So I'm not nuts, which is good to know.

Since it's a lesson, I am going to play what is written but I'll ask about it.

 

[LBS-bass]

Thanks, everyone. I'm glad I'm not too daft. I sat here and stared at this for a while wondering what the heck I was missing. My reading isn't stellar, but I didn't think it was that bad.

 

[micguy]

In the history of sheet music, you have found the one mistake that was ever made! Congratulations!

Sarcasm aside, if you look at enough sheet music, you will find errors. Sheet music is made by humans. Humans make mistakes. Music is played by humans. There are probably far more mistakes made by musicians than by people writing sheet music - so we should give the sheet music people some grace.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Key of Bb, bass clef 4/4

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Aren't the last two notes the same tone, since the E is flat? I understand that in certain temperaments they would be different but this is written for bass. Why would you write it like this? Why not B D E E? Is this just to convey the upward movement of the overall passage? I'm confused. Maybe it's just to test to see if I play this correctly?

You guys are going to get sick of me asking questions in this forum.

Error aside, what was the specific goal of said lesson??

 

[LBS-bass]

Error aside, what was the specific goal of said lesson??

Good question. It's my first lesson with this teacher, and my goal is to expand my vocabulary for walking beyond the somewhat shallow bag of tricks that I have pretty well under my belt.

The teacher's goal in assigning this lesson is less clear, but after playing through much of it my sense is that it's a bit tricky, and would likely provide him with an opportunity to figure out what I know, which will help guide him in developing a lesson plan as we move forward, if that makes any sense.

 

[LBS-bass]

In the history of sheet music, you have found the one mistake that was ever made! Congratulations!

Sarcasm aside, if you look at enough sheet music, you will find errors. Sheet music is made by humans. Humans make mistakes. Music is played by humans. There are probably far more mistakes made by musicians than by people writing sheet music - so we should give the sheet music people some grace.

I know there are errors in notation, I say this here myself all the time, but I would expect a teacher with his background to know if there are errors in the lessons he's handing out. And I suspect he likely does. I'm by no means the first student he has given this lesson to.

My question is why he is presenting this to me written this way. My guess is that he wants to see if I pick up on it. He doesn't yet know how much I know (or don't know).

 

[NG51]

Maybe he’s teaching you about enharmonic equivalents! Lol

 

[micguy]

I know there are errors in notation, I say this here myself all the time, but I would expect a teacher to know if there are errors in the lessons he's handing out. And I suspect he likely does.

It might be a secret test. It's something you're likely to encounter in the real world, why not train you on how to deal with it in school? In the real world, a lot of times someone asks if they should do A or B, and the correct answer is "C" - if I were teaching students, I'd certainly try to prepare them for situations like that.

Or your teacher is human, and made a mistake. Either way, your response is to bring it up nicely - "am I missing something, or is this not quite right here?

 

[LBS-bass]

It might be a secret test. It's something you're likely to encounter in the real world, why not train you on how to deal with it in school? In the real world, a lot of times someone asks if they should do A or B, and the correct answer is "C" - if I were teaching students, I'd certainly try to prepare them for situations like that.

Yes, this makes sense to me.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Good question. It's my first lesson with this teacher, and my goal is to expand my vocabulary for walking beyond the somewhat shallow bag of tricks that I have pretty well under my belt.

What the teacher's goal in assigning this lesson is less clear, but after playing through much of it my sense is that it's a bit tricky, and would likely provide him with an opportunity to figure out what I know, which will help guide him in developing a lesson plan as we move forward, if that makes any sense.

I dunno, is he an experienced teacher?
What does the rest of the chart look like?

 

[LBS-bass]

I dunno, is he an experienced teacher?
What does the rest of the chart look like?

Yes, very experienced. I don't want to identify anyone on here but I can send you info via DM if you're really interested in knowing more about the lesson and the teacher I've chosen. I'm confident that he'll be able to bring me along, I just wasn't sure if there was something I wasn't really understanding about this measure because I haven't had to read SN in a long time If you want to know more, just drop me a DM.

 

[InhumanResource]

Just put the missing "Natural" sign in front of the "E" note. "E natural"is a great note in support of a Bb7 chord moving to an F7 chord.
IMFO.
Thx.

There’s still the issue of the written D# but I agree, this feels like it has to be a chromatic walk up from D to F.

 

[Don Kasper]

There’s still the issue of the written D# but I agree, this feels like it has to be a chromatic walk up from D to F.

I don't have an issue with the written D#...but that's me.
Also Too - I don't consider the E natural a "chromatic..." movement, as E is the #11 of the Bb7 chord. It is "in" the Bb7 chord as an upper extension, that just happens to result in a "chromatic.." movement. That's why it sounds "good/right", IMO.
But that's me, and not everybody would agree with me, IME.
Thanks!

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

27635266[/URL], member: 317378"]Yes, very experienced. I don't want to identify anyone on here but I can send you info via DM if you're really interested in knowing more about the lesson and the teacher I've chosen. I'm confident that he'll be able to bring me along, I just wasn't sure if there was something I wasn't really understanding about this measure because I haven't had to read SN in a long time If you want to know more, just drop me a DM.

ok, all good, if you trust the teacher.
I just find that 4 bar with a “typo” in it questionable as a first lesson. Even if Ray Brown himself would give me this I would ask him………why?….this ain’t right over here!!
When developing walking lines IMO its incredibly important to have a specific goal in each “lesson”.
Target notes, passing notes, chromatic, diatonic, what scale/mode to play
what harmonic content do you to outline, chord subs……and many more.
Is it played during the theme, solos……etc
but I digress, hope you achieve what you are looking for with this teacher.

 

[SAlcott]

Somebody left out a natural sign. Play the note your ears and logic tell you to play and move on. Ray Brown wouldn't have even bothered to think about it, much less ask.