What constitutes a bass player being considered overrated ?

[guy n. cognito]

Well wait until you release your work of art and see if you will be able to find the basics of understanding from the critics who may not have a clue to what you have created

A true artist is one that finds happiness with his work, regardless of what the critics think. If you are, on the other hand, trying to create art for mass appeal, and the majority don't have a "basics of understanding of what you created", then you have failed.

 

[slugworth]

Sometimes an artist, musician or composer isn't appreciated until years after they're dead... Or maybe it's all about staying power...Will anybody be hearing a Blink 182 song in an elevator in 30 years?

 

[slugworth]

A true artist is one that finds happiness with his work, regardless of what the critics think. If you are, on the other hand, trying to create art for mass appeal, and the majority don't have a "basics of understanding of what you created", then you have failed.

That was before Rock became corporate. Nowadays it's "Let's find the next big thing, and make as much money as we can, as fast as we can, before the fad passes"

The days of supporting and nurturing artists through their careers are long gone..

 

[slugworth]

A true artist is one that finds happiness with his work, regardless of what the critics think. .

So do real musicians have day jobs??

 

[worker201]

Well wait until you release your work of art and see if you will be able to find the basics of understanding from the critics who may not have a clue to what you have created

Am I to understand that the hypothetical work you speak of in this passage is the same as the hypothetical work mentioned earlier, which was "perfect(ed)"? How perfect can it really be if nobody but the artist gets it?

 

[JAUQO III-X]

Am I to understand that the hypothetical work you speak of in this passage is the same as the hypothetical work mentioned earlier, which was "perfect(ed)"? How perfect can it really be if nobody but the artist gets it?

It should be all about the artist who is creating it to not be concerned whether or not any one gets it. Most artist do it for them selves and if others can dig it then I'm sure the artist is happy.

A lot of times when artist choose to be true to themselves, some ones shallow opinion(because in most instances that's all it is) of the artist creation means nothing to the artist as it shouldn't.

 

[Sneckumhaw]

Have you actually seen "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls?

Many, many times. It got me into cult movies in a big way. I thought it was one of the funniest, most vibrant and original films of the early 70s. I'm not alone on that one either. The way Russ Meyer directed it was to have all the actors think he was dead serious which gave the comedy a really cool air of high absurdity and it was full of great non sequiturs by Meyer and Ebert. Loved that movie.

 

[worker201]

It should be all about the artist who is creating it to not be concerned whether or not any one gets it. Most artist do it for them selves and if others can dig it then I'm sure the artist is happy.

A lot of times when artist choose to be true to themselves, some ones shallow opinion(because in most instances that's all it is) of the artist creation means nothing to the artist as it shouldn't.

If the artists are really doing it for themselves, then the process ends when the piece is complete. Once they share that piece, they've invited someone else into the equation. And they absolutely cannot control how other people react to it.

If someone likes my work, I feel like I have value. And when someone doesn't, I feel low. But I take some sort of comfort in knowing without a doubt that I can't possibly please everyone, and I'm not sure I would want to live in a world where I could.

 

[toytech]

Sometimes an artist is not looking for praise at all, they may want to disgust, shock, annoy, confuse or just inspire you to think outside of the box. That being said, I don't feel qualified to critique another bassist, or any artist for that matter. All art is subjective by nature anyway. I would feel qualified to critique a mechanics repair quality, perhaps a martial artists technique since these are quantifiable in a way that art simply is not, and I have a frame of reference in my own experience (former martial arts instructor and current full time mechanic) Is Flea arrogant? sure. Can he play? way better than me. What an artist performs may be only a small sample of what they are capable of.
If a musicians listeners enjoy the music, who cares what other musicians think, maybe the music was not meant for them

 

[JAUQO III-X]

I take some sort of comfort in knowing without a doubt that I can't possibly please everyone, and I'm not sure I would want to live in a world where I could.

You ever thought that maybe you're not the only one that thinks like that or feel that way?

If a musicians listeners enjoy the music, who cares what other musicians think, maybe the music was not meant for them

I agree.

 

[worker201]

You ever thought that maybe you're not the only one that thinks like that or feel that way?

My middle name is solipsism. So, no.

 

[slugworth]

It should be all about the artist who is creating it to not be concerned whether or not any one gets it. Most artist do it for them selves and if others can dig it then I'm sure the artist is happy.

A lot of times when artist choose to be true to themselves, some ones shallow opinion(because in most instances that's all it is) of the artist creation means nothing to the artist as it shouldn't.

And usually, that artist is starving.....

I wish there were more record company heads and A&R people who thought like you..Unfortunately that type of idealist philosophy is a privilege reserved for very, very few artists with long track records and well proven earning potential. For the rest, everything is being contrived and controlled by the bean counters. It's just the way it is, at least currently...Hope it changes though.

 

[AlphaMale]

On Talk bass it seems like If he is not a Jazz player or a fusion player he is overrated.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Many, many times. It got me into cult movies in a big way. I thought it was one of the funniest, most vibrant and original films of the early 70s. I'm not alone on that one either. The way Russ Meyer directed it was to have all the actors think he was dead serious which gave the comedy a really cool air of high absurdity and it was full of great non sequiturs by Meyer and Ebert. Loved that movie.

Funny, it looked like another cheesy 70's movie to me. Right up there with the Monkee's movie... maybe even Plan 9...

 

[slugworth]

Funny, it looked like another cheesy 70's movie to me. Right up there with the Monkee's movie... maybe even Plan 9...

Hehehe...Wasn't that Monkee movie called "Head" or "In Your Head" or something? Man it was weird....How about another holiday favorite from that time...Santa Claus vs. The Martians!! Of course, going back a little farther, who could possibly forget The Blob..I used to play in a quintet with a sax player who used to throw in Blob theme song quotes all over straight ahead standards at every gig we did. I could barely contain myself, I'd be laughing so hard.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Hehehe...Wasn't that Monkee movie called "Head" or "In Your Head" or something? Man it was weird....How about another holiday favorite from that time...Santa Claus vs. The Martians!! Of course, going back a little farther, who could possibly forget The Blob..I used to play in a quintet with a sax player who used to throw in Blob theme song quotes all over straight ahead standards at every gig we did. I could barely contain myself, I'd be laughing so hard.

I still wonder if Ebert's take on BVD was just a case of "Yeah, I meant to do that" following the results.

That Monkees' movie was weird. I couldn't believe it got three stars in the onscreen guide.

What was that alledged sci-fi movie where the monster was a guy in an ape suit wearing a diver's helmet?

BTW ever see "The Tingler"?

 

[Sneckumhaw]

The Monkees movie Head? You mean the deceptively clever surrealist comedy featuring Zappa, Tim Carey and directed by the prodigiously talented man behind Five Easy Pieces, Bob Rafelson, from a screenplay by Jack Nicholson?

A reason that movie and Beyond the Valley of the Dolls work so well is that they can be read on the level of "mere" cheesy 70's movies while simultaneously succeeding on different levels to a viewer attuned to their sensibilities. As far as BVD goes, watching it with Ebert's commentary track should put to rest any doubts as to what the film was all about.

I don't doubt that I'm missing something in the likes of Bill Dickens, his music is simply alien to my sensibilities and I would respectfully suggest that that is part of your problem with Head and BVD. Don't get me wrong, I understand that you don't dig the movies and there's nothing wrong with that. Maybe you think there's nothing deeper about them and that's fair, but I would disagree. I simply don't talk much about Bill Dickens knowing that he's not my bag. I see nothing wrong with criticizing stuff if you can understand where it's coming from, but I make it my policy not to talk about something if I know I'm not on its wavelength.

That's just me though, and if I'm not mistaken that has something to do with what Jauqo's talking about.

 

[Sneckumhaw]

What was that alledged sci-fi movie where the monster was a guy in an ape suit wearing a diver's helmet?

BTW ever see "The Tingler"?

That would be Robot Monster. A whole different bag than Head and the Meyer/Ebert film but fun in its own corny way according to a fellow cult movie loving friend who's seen it twice. I haven't had the pleasure yet.

As for The Tingler? A good time, but I prefer to remember William Castle for giving the genius Polanski the chance to work on Rosemary's Baby, finally seeing the difference between artistry and silliness and agreeing not to mar it with his own directorial ineptitude. There's a time and a place.

The beauty of Head and Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is that they dwell in that insane no-man's land between schlock like The Tingler and art like Rosemary's Baby.

But we digress...

 

[Phil Smith]

This thread is overrated to perfection and beyond.

Did I cover everything?

 

[Deacon_Blues]

Who is overrated or not is too subjective. It's all a matter of taste IMHO.

I personally think technique monsters like Wooten are overrated, because I have a hard time hearing the music behind the flashy show-offing. But that's me. Your opinion might differ.