Its going to stay home. I'm not in a band so this cab/ speaker is probably more than I'll ever need. If I ever need anything to take someplace it won't be what I have now. There are so many things to consider!!
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What did I buy??
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The logo on mine I believe is correct. But then again I believe in the Easter Bunny
With old fabric coverings you have to be extremely careful. Usually they are in a weakened state. Chemicals can break the threads further or cause color to run. Stay away from bleach, amonia, even vinegar. Safest to try plain water with dish soap like Dawn. Try a small corner first and let dry. If it discolors then you are better leaving it.
Cabinets do not have a sound. I don't know the speaker you have or what cabinet it needs. Also you need to match the speaker impedance to whatever amp you are using. Your pic showed a 16 ohm speaker impedance which a lot of amps do not support. The wrong impedance can blow the amplifier!!! And if you add a second speaker its a bit more complicated so pay attention. Two 16 ohm speakers wired in series is a total load of 32 ohms to the amp! Two 8 ohm speakers in series is 16 ohms total. In other words wired in series you add the ohms together. Wired in parallel two 16 ohm speakers would total 8 ohms. Two 4 ohm speakers is 2 ohms total. Wired in Parallel for two of the same impedance, you divide the number of speakers from the impedance. For mismatched impedance in parallel its a little more complicated if you need that let me know. Algebra involved
It is a fantastic find for anyone, rookie or experienced.
No reason to be intimidated. A combo is basically just an amp head & cabinet in a single piece. Sometimes identical. Main difference is a speaker (NOT a guitar) cable connects the two!!! Sometimes concessions are made like smaller cabinet (air) size that effects bass, less cooling area for the amp, no external connections for speaker/limited fx loop. A combo can be handier to move around than two or even three pieces but I have a Fender Twin & a Mesa Boogie Mark IV (sorry both guitar amps) and each weigh a ton so have casters. Always felt bad making roadies, techs and of course myself that have to haul them around. Now that I mainly use a modeler (Axe Fx) and a lightweight FRFR cabinet they love me. So once you have an amp head, a matched cabinet with speakers and a speaker (again not a guitar!) Cable you won't notice a real difference to what you are used to.
If this was my cab, I'd take my time in cleaning it up. Restoring it to some degree. Personally, I would purchase two matching speakers that fits the requirements of the cab and replace them.
@agedhorse is a very good source for those replacements.
You can clean the grill cloth but it will never look new again. You can buy replacement grill cloth. You may want to leave it with the "patina"
The Fender badge placement it totally up to you. Google images.
Take your time. A vintage Fender amp head(affordable) is a process in itself to find one.
Have fun.
Lots of members here to help you.
If you want to play, use another amp for a while.
@agedhorse is a very good source for those replacements.
You can clean the grill cloth but it will never look new again. You can buy replacement grill cloth. You may want to leave it with the "patina"
The Fender badge placement it totally up to you. Google images.
Take your time. A vintage Fender amp head(affordable) is a process in itself to find one.
Have fun.
Lots of members here to help you.
If you want to play, use another amp for a while.
Very sound advice pun intended!! Thank you so much for the help. You're right about taking my time for sure!!
I had to look up the word impedance. It sounds like adding or changing speakers and pairing up with an amp could be complicated to say the least. I'm going to take my time. I will enlist a professional when the time comes. I also feel I need to read up on how amps and speakers work. I see tutorials on you tube. Hopefully there are some easily understood information about the electronic side of gear. Again I really really appreciate your kind help and information. I still say gear is more complex than the music itself!!!The logo on mine I believe is correct. But then again I believe in the Easter Bunny
With old fabric coverings you have to be extremely careful. Usually they are in a weakened state. Chemicals can break the threads further or cause color to run. Stay away from bleach, amonia, even vinegar. Safest to try plain water with dish soap like Dawn. Try a small corner first and let dry. If it discolors then you are better leaving it.
Cabinets do not have a sound. I don't know the speaker you have or what cabinet it needs. Also you need to match the speaker impedance to whatever amp you are using. Your pic showed a 16 ohm speaker impedance which a lot of amps do not support. The wrong impedance can blow the amplifier!!! And if you add a second speaker its a bit more complicated so pay attention. Two 16 ohm speakers wired in series is a total load of 32 ohms to the amp! Two 8 ohm speakers in series is 16 ohms total. In other words wired in series you add the ohms together. Wired in parallel two 16 ohm speakers would total 8 ohms. Two 4 ohm speakers is 2 ohms total. Wired in Parallel for two of the same impedance, you divide the number of speakers from the impedance. For mismatched impedance in parallel its a little more complicated if you need that let me know. Algebra involved
It is a fantastic find for anyone, rookie or experienced.
No reason to be intimidated. A combo is basically just an amp head & cabinet in a single piece. Sometimes identical. Main difference is a speaker (NOT a guitar) cable connects the two!!! Sometimes concessions are made like smaller cabinet (air) size that effects bass, less cooling area for the amp, no external connections for speaker/limited fx loop. A combo can be handier to move around than two or even three pieces but I have a Fender Twin & a Mesa Boogie Mark IV (sorry both guitar amps) and each weigh a ton so have casters. Always felt bad making roadies, techs and of course myself that have to haul them around. Now that I mainly use a modeler (Axe Fx) and a lightweight FRFR cabinet they love me. So once you have an amp head, a matched cabinet with speakers and a speaker (again not a guitar!) Cable you won't notice a real difference to what you are used to.
It's not that hard to decide on speakers for that cabinet, really. But first, it would be best get a suitable amp, depending on if you are playing guitar or bass through this rig. IIRC you are a guitarist; what kinds of guitars do you have and what kinds of music do you play. All this will help in coming up with a suitable selection of amps for you. After that we can determine what speaker drivers to get, including what impedance the drivers should be to fill the bill.
It is only complicated because its a new concept for you. No need for a professional.
Broken down for you.
1) determine the amp that will power the cab. Based on type of music, volume level, budget. Does not have to be a vintage or even a tube amp. Could even be a modeling amp.
2) figure out the impedance supported by the amp and wattage. Its all listed specs.
3) look for 12" speakers that match:
the style of music/guitar, another amp sound or are more neutral sounding to be more accommodating.
The impedance of the amp matches the speakers (listed in specs). Take into account wired either in series or parallel as I mentioned before to match. There is no discernable difference in sound serial vs. Parallel but just to reach desired impedance.
the wattage of the amp is supported by the speakers (listed in specs). The amp's specs (manual or website) should list the wattage for each particular impedance. In other words a change in impedance is a change in resistance so it also changes the wattage output of the amp. 4 ohms impedance will be a higher amp output than 8 or 16 ohms.
4) purchase the speakers!
5) open the cabinet's back and remove (if you want) the existing speaker.
6) install the new speakers (its just some washers and nuts
7) get some 12 gauge wire and if needed a new input jack (less than $10) and wire the speakers to the input jack which is installed on the back, also just a washer & nut. You do need to wire in serial or parallel. Serial means positive (center of input jack ) to positive of speaker 1; negative of speaker 1 to positive of speaker 2; negative of speaker 2 to negative (outer of input jack) on jack.
Parallel means positive of input jack is connected to positive of both speaker 1 & 2; negative of both speaker 1 & 2 connected to negative of input jack.
You do need to solder the connections which requires a $10 soldering iron. Real, real easy to.learn to do. Takes less than five minutes for a newbie. Good knowledge to have to work on instruments as well!
8) close up the back of the cabinet
9) plug speaker cable into the amp & cabinet
10) play guitar or bass!!!!
Avoid the youtube videos! I have seen many that give wrong info.
Wow this is pretty incredible. Broken down into steps seriously helps. Unbelieveable enough I had some correct ideas about all of it. I could also look for some simple books I still like print media to learn more about the concepts involved in the electronics. I like how you put it step by step. Thank you so much. If I really did this myself it would be a Mount Everest Moment for me!! Really cool!! Thank you so very much. I can't say enough how impressed I am by the generosity of players on this site. Everyone has been open with information. I've gotten some great information and some great humor too. I'm going to trying to save a lot of this technical information so Ill Have it for reference as this is going to be a process for me. Again many thanks!!It is only complicated because its a new concept for you. No need for a professional.
Broken down for you.
1) determine the amp that will power the cab. Based on type of music, volume level, budget. Does not have to be a vintage or even a tube amp. Could even be a modeling amp.
2) figure out the impedance supported by the amp and wattage. Its all listed specs.
3) look for 12" speakers that match:
the style of music/guitar, another amp sound or are more neutral sounding to be more accommodating.
The impedance of the amp matches the speakers (listed in specs). Take into account wired either in series or parallel as I mentioned before to match. There is no discernable difference in sound serial vs. Parallel but just to reach desired impedance.
the wattage of the amp is supported by the speakers (listed in specs). The amp's specs (manual or website) should list the wattage for each particular impedance. In other words a change in impedance is a change in resistance so it also changes the wattage output of the amp. 4 ohms impedance will be a higher amp output than 8 or 16 ohms.
4) purchase the speakers!
5) open the cabinet's back and remove (if you want) the existing speaker.
6) install the new speakers (its just some washers and nuts
7) get some 12 gauge wire and if needed a new input jack (less than $10) and wire the speakers to the input jack which is installed on the back, also just a washer & nut. You do need to wire in serial or parallel. Serial means positive (center of input jack ) to positive of speaker 1; negative of speaker 1 to positive of speaker 2; negative of speaker 2 to negative (outer of input jack) on jack.
Parallel means positive of input jack is connected to positive of both speaker 1 & 2; negative of both speaker 1 & 2 connected to negative of input jack.
You do need to solder the connections which requires a $10 soldering iron. Real, real easy to.learn to do. Takes less than five minutes for a newbie. Good knowledge to have to work on instruments as well!
8) close up the back of the cabinet
9) plug speaker cable into the amp & cabinet
10) play guitar or bass!!!!
Avoid the youtube videos! I have seen many that give wrong info.
Here’s some good reading for you!
AMPS FAQ!! Info on OHMS, Allsize RIGS-OverUnderPowerCabs DIY TechTalk-Links
I’m 62 and have always loved speakers, amp and stuff!
Take your time. Some of my current stuff... ya, there’s a little fender amp off to the right!
AMPS FAQ!! Info on OHMS, Allsize RIGS-OverUnderPowerCabs DIY TechTalk-Links
I’m 62 and have always loved speakers, amp and stuff!
Take your time. Some of my current stuff... ya, there’s a little fender amp off to the right!
Omg that's fabulous stuff!! Looks great!! Beautiful guitar too. Yep like the Fender too!! That's one Heck of a set up!! I bet you have a fantastic time!!!! I bet you've had a bunch of stuff throughout your time of playing!! Awesome!! I bet you smile a lot!!
Doesn't it just kill you that the Tolex® on the 370 and 301 don't match?
Yes, yes it does.Doesn't it just kill you that the Tolex® on the 370 and 301 don't match?
It will some day.
StereoPlayer 8/12/18
You had correct ideas as its not as complicated as it first seems.
Start with Step 1, working each single step by itself along the way and before you know it you will be jamming. I have Asperger Syndrome and this kind of process is how I have to approach most everything. Even playing music. Started when I was five on the piano, playing single finger melodies, to two fingers, then three and was close to a year before I played chords. But within two years (age 7) I could site read some classical pieces.
Don't be intimidated by the destination or its perceived distance. In order to travel to the moon, your feet have to take the first step.
Get your self an old Peavey Bass amp (like Mark 4 or any cheap one with a pwr in jack-- or just a power amp). Then you can get pre amp type pedal for bass and/or guitar. Be careful playing low bass notes through speakers that you don't know the specs. If the cab starts to distort (speakers can't handle certain low notes/sound bad) just turn down the gain/main volume. Get a friend over and play twanger guitar through it. Get a mic and sing through it.
Welcome to gear nerdumb,
f n o r d !
Bass or guitar, I don't understand how anyone can tell another player what amp (or speaker) to get. Its all subjective. Dependent on style of music, playing style, volume requirements, budget and a dozen other things.
That pre amp pedal idea is. From FANTASTIC. So so cool!! I'm smiling from ear to ear. Again that would be so cool!! I'm going to archive these suggestions so when the time comes Ill have the information at hand. I had to read this a couple of times. Everyone has been incredibly helpful. Thanks sincerely!!
Also does the pre amp for guitar or bass make it possible to play either or instrument through the speakers or can you do that anyway?? I'm going to read up on pre amps. I've heard people talk about them a lot.
