Mine I bought new around 2003 and has the deltas I think. I've never found it inadequate, but maybe I don't know what I'm missing?
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What do you know about Avatar bass cabinets
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Mine I bought new around 2003 and has the deltas I think. I've never found it inadequate, but maybe I don't know what I'm missing?
Anybody have any sound samples of thier Avatars? I'm just starting to research things in general and am considering something like 2, 1X12 cabinets that could handle a 5 string. Portability is the name of the game these days and something that I could carry myself and put into the back seat of my Ford Focus is a must. Gotta be careful with my back these days. I'm much better off making a few lighter trips instead on one heavy trip.
I did find a video of a guy playing thru an Avatar 1X12, but it sounded like he had the treble on 10. Didn't sound very bass-like.
I did find a video of a guy playing thru an Avatar 1X12, but it sounded like he had the treble on 10. Didn't sound very bass-like.
I know you said, "not" neo, but I'd agree with earlier posters that recommended going with the neos.
Avatar's Neo 10's are from Eminence USA's top of their line cast frame 2510 drivers with a custom x-max to match Avatar's cabinet tuning. (These are the same drivers that are used in Berg's, Epi's, and by some other high-dollar bass cabinet manufacturers. Most manufacturers that are using neo's are using the less expensive stamped steel framed neo driver but their high prices don't reflect this.)
Avatar uses horns marked as Foster. (Fostex/Foster/P-Audio horns are used in Aguilar, Ampeg, Avatar, Eden, SWR, Roland, Fender, Peavey, ect., ect.)
Avatar's crossovers are from Eminence. (I'd bet most commericial bass cabinet manufacturers are using crossovers from Eminence.)
Avatar uses voidless plywood in their construction, as does most commericial manufacturers.
Avatar's using a front, shelf-ported cabinet design.
Avatar is using industry standard componets, (and in the case of their choice of drivers, above industry standard.)
Avatar's cabinet size and the tuning of their cabinet along with their choice of custom x-max setting of the Eminence drivers is the biggest difference between most other manufacturers bass cabs.
You may or may not like the sound the Avatar's cabinet size and tuning gives it's componets.
In my case, I replaced heavy, hard to move, expensive E*en cabinets with two Avatar Neo 210 cabinets and haven't regretted it once.
Yup, this is exactly what I am working on right now...
This is what the neo's look like ( are these the Eminence drivers you speak of?):
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If that's a Eminence Neo 2510...and it appears to be...then yes sir.
I've been gigging two Avatar 210 cabinets stacked as a vertical 410 powered with either a G.K. MB2-500 head or a newly acquired Ampeg PF-500 head for alittle over a year now...LOVE em'!
I can find no identifying info on the speakers (but I have not actually removed them either. Your vertical stacked 2x10 setup is where I am headed using a GK MB500 as well. Glad to hear it works well. Certainly a single cab w/ this head is very good so I see no reason two wouldn't be twice as good!
+1!!!
What's been a "big surprise" for me has been how many jobs I've been able to play using just one, 8 ohm, Avatar 210 Neo with the GK MB-500 head. Not heavy metal volumes, but plenty in some of the animal clubs we play, and with FOH, I've done some bigger jobs using just one 210, (but, I'm with a group that knows the meaning of stage volume control.)
The Avatars turned out to be one of the louder 210 cabinets I was able to audition when I was putting together the two 210 combination.
shoot-r said:
Im definately going with the neos actually been in contact with dave from avatar and the 410s with blonde tolex are available so now just got to the funds quickly cause am super excited to let rip
I love my Avatar neo 210; it replaced the 212, which was very cumbersome for a 60 year old with a tricky back. The sound of each was great, but the 210, powered through an Ampeg PF500 is warmer and more bassy than some 210s I've used--sounds more like a 15. It is low to the ground, but sounds great tilted on its side as well. Literally, built like a tank. Mine fell off the moving loading truck one night and bounced down the street for several yards. Some tolex scuffs, but worked fine ever since. Just saying.
I've heard in the past that 10s are faster and 12s are better for 5 strings due to their lower freq. response. Honestly though, based on recent improvements in design and efficiencies, I would say that may not be the case anymore. I'd rely on what the experts like Bill F and Greenboy have to say about it.
They are built as good as any cabinet made. The details in a previous post detailed components and construction materials. I don't understand the stigma. If they charged three times the price everyone would be comparing them with boutique cabs but because they are less expensive I think lots of folks perceive them as bargain or cheap. They are a bargain for sure but in no way inferior to anything available IMHO. Go ahead and spend more. If that makes you feel better...
All the 10's I have ever used sound just fine w/ a 5 string. I just find 12's to have a different 'voice' neither better or worse than a 10, just different. And, honestly, if you have front end support it's really just a stage monitor anyway, right? I see all these amazingly elaborate stage rigs while all that gets sent to the FOH is the bass only signal, or perhaps whatever effects are in front of the DI as well. But I am changing lately to realize just how unnecessary so much of that truly is. In the noise of a live band so much of the nuance you hear while playing alone in your cellar or bedroom or living room is simply lost. As I have been told repeatedly, it's live sound not studio recording. It's beginning to sink in I guess.
True!...I couldn't agree with you more!
When I was putting together my two 210 vertical 410 I was able to audition a bunch of various manufacturers 210 cabinets. Some of them I was lucky enough to try out on stage with the 6 pcs. country/rock group I work with.
My top two picks ended up being:
#1...two Bergantino AE 210 cabinets.
#2...two Avatar Neo 210 cabinets.
At home in our family room, the Avatar's horn had a audible hiss. (As did the Eden cabinets the Avatar's replaced. As did the horn/tweeter loaded Ampeg cabinets the the Eden's replaced.)
At home in our family room, the berg had a noticeably sweeter/smoother high end in that quiet setting.
On stage...the Avatar's hiss was not noticed.
On stage...the Berg's sweeter/smoother highs were not noticed.
On stage...(to my ears)...the lows, projection, volume levels, ect. was the same from either cabinet, (as it should be since both manufacturers are using Eminence 2510 drivers with a custom extended x-max.)
At that time, a Berg AE 210 cabinet was $850.00 plus tax each.
A Avatar Neo 210 cabinet was $319.00 plus shipping each.
On stage, I could not hear a $531.00 per cabinet, better/huge difference.
I think the Avatar pricing question is being asked all wrong.
It shouldn't be, "why are they inexpensive...what's wrong?"
It should be "why are the other bass cabinet manufacturers charging so much!!!"
Avatars are not that cheap. With tolex and the neo option, they can run $450-490 for the 210. They're worth it, I think, but I wouldn't call them budget cabs by any realistic measure.
I just picked up a used ceramic 2x10 for $200. I'm pretty happy with my budget cabs.
Anyone have any experience with a pair of 210 neos, or a 410 neo and a Genz Benz Streamliner 900? Looking for a good cabinet match for that head and would prefer a 1 cab solution of the 410...but open to 2 210s.
Thanks.
Thanks.
