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What do you think of Michael Savage's comments?

That phrase is generally attributed to Voltaire. But I suppose it's possible we lost track of that fact after Jacque Chirac voiced an opinion that we Americans didn't like and there were numerous calls to boycott all things French. Slightly ironic I think. Well, I'm off to grab a burger and Freedom fries.

Correct about the origin. My point was that I used to hear it a lot in the 70s. After rereading my original, I can see that I didn't do a very good job of clarifying that. :atoz:


Oh, and Atoz, I thought you'd be interested in this. There is apparently a remake of Death Race 2000 coming out starring Jason Statham. From the commercial I saw I thought it looked terrible, but then again you and I have a slightly different view on the quality of the original.;)

Great memory! :) Yes DR2000 is one of my all-time faves... I don't think I could bear to watch a remake. How do you top Stallone as Machine Gun Joe Viterbo, anyway? :D
 
Honestly I don't think it is ironic at all (and no, I did not take part in said boycott). Freedom of speech has nothing to do with boycotts and attempts to force apologies and everything to do with the government not being allowed to stifle someone's expression. If a person has a negative (and legal) reaction to something someone says or believes then that's just another product of the freedoms we have, not a stifling of that person's right to say something (even though we're talking about something that was said in France here, not in the US).

Your point seems forced.

bc

There's a reason it seems forced - I don't believe anything close to what you seem to think I do. I've said this many times before: free speech doesn't mean consequence free speech. I find it ironic though, that people complain about others being "overly sensitive" when it suits their cause. But you're very right in that I was reaching quite a bit to make a point, which obviously didn't come out right anyway.

FWIW, nobody really took part in that "boycott". US imports from France actually increased in 2003/2004.
 
There's a reason it seems forced - I don't believe anything close to what you seem to think I do. I've said this many times before: free speech doesn't mean consequence free speech. I find it ironic though, that people complain about others being "overly sensitive" when it suits their cause. But you're very right in that I was reaching quite a bit to make a point, which obviously didn't come out right anyway.

FWIW, nobody really took part in that "boycott". US imports from France actually increased in 2003/2004.

My bad for misinterpreting your meaning then. Sorry.

bc
 
If only autism could be cured by strict parenting, and telling the child "No".

I would encourage anyone/everyone to talk with and spend time with a child who has autism and their family.

BEYOND the point. A true diagnosis is a diagnosis. A problem plaguing heathcare is that medications are expected for everything, even when there are non-medicinal solutions. Trust me, even though I'm speaking against my job security, people want pills to fix problems.

A big problem with antimicrobial resistance was due to people expecting antibiotics for conditions that didn't require any, mostly viral or allergy related. Suddenly, we have mass amounts of people who are colonized. Tangent, I know, but that's how it works these days.
 
First off, I don't ever INTENTIONALLY listen to Mr. Savage, as I think he's an overpaid underqualified idiot.

When I do hear him, my reaction is generally to start laughing uncontrollably, as I cannot fathom why anyone would sponsor him, because of the paragraph above, which he reinforces regularly (think: every 30 to 60 seconds) by opening his mouth.

On the topic of his autism comments, which I must admit in the interest of full disclosure I have NOT heard (thankfully! :rollno: ), IF he said what was quoted, without any further qualification, he's an @$$hole on top of being an idiot.

I am regularly in contact with numerous individuals with many disabilities, including autism, and I assure you, those that are DIAGNOSED with autism are NOT being "spoiled brats".

Michael Savage on the other hand...well, he should be given the treatment he apparantly recommended, as he seems to suffer from the version of autism he is accused of describing, at least from what I've heard come out of the radio speakers when he is (unfortunately) on one in my earshot.

;)
 
as usual, his comments have been partially reported and taken WAY out of context. What he basically said is that pediatricians used to be the lowest paid of all physicians and rarely, if ever, prescribed drugs for most behavior problems. Now that they are prescribing mood altering drugs, the long-term effects of which are typically unknown or very dangerous, they are paid on par with the rest of the medical world. He specifically said he was not talking about LEGITIMATE cases of autism or mental or physical disability but that Autism is the new favorite diagnosis for kids who are a little weird or have some behavioral problems - similar to the overdiagnosis of ADD/ADHD in the recent past. What he's critical of is the tendency of Americans to medicate themselves or their children for everything, which is dangerous. We're drugging our children and taking away their personalities, turning them into emotionless zombies. A kid with a rotten home life SHOULD be acting out. It's a normal response to dealing with problems. Instead of teaching them to better deal with their emotions, we drug all the emotion out of them. He's tired of drug companies using children as guinea pigs for their products. And I think he's right in that regard. Instead of adjusting how we deal with high energy kids who don't learn well sitting in a classroom and use a more hands on approach to learning, we drug them so they'll behave in class. When a teenage girl has mood swings, we drug them into static emotional states. Teenage girls are supposed to have mood swings. By drugging them, we stunt their emotional growth. That's what he was harping on, not making fun of LEGITIMATE Autism.
 
OK, while I absolutely agree that we are overmedicating and overusing antibiotics/antibacterials, and I would agree with Mr. Savage on that item, I still stand by the rest of my post:

He's a self-aggrandizing idiot that needs a few good smacks upside the head.

;)

Failing that, hopefully one day his sponsors will all bail on him, and he will cease to be inflicted on my eardrums even by accident.

:)
 
Here's where I disagree. I MUCH prefer people like Savage who make their opinions (and sometimes their small-mindedness) CLEARLY known. This is how human beings REALLY are: somewhat inappropriate at times, and invested more in their own emotional responses to issues, rather than tailoring their views so that they conform to some misguided notion of Political Correctness. The fact that editors/newscasters/funding sourses at major media outlets pretend to be objective and somewhat more enlightened and fair (whether you're talking CNN or the 'No Spin Zone') is what is shocking and repulsive, IMO. Of course, I equally pay attention to both, because IME being familiar with both sides is important when trying to carve out your own views. I'm an Equal Opportunity Professional Cynic.

Whoa. To say that editors/newscasters (funding sources? I'm not getting it unless you're implying they're calling the shots, which I strongly disagree with in most cases) somehow have the same level of credibility as Savage absolutely boggles my mind. Savage is ranting, with no facts to back up frothing-at-the-mouth statements such as those I quoted above. Those newscasters, on the other hand, typically do actual reporting and at least nominally attempt to adhere to a set of ethics. (I used to be a journalist, and I have a few friends who still work their tails off in that world.) And if it's an opinions-based format, you'll typically find people actually debating both sides of an issue.

I don't know about you, but I learn infinitely more from those types of publications and shows than one guy with a microphone, whether it's Savage or anyone else in that format.
 
OK, while I absolutely agree that we are overmedicating and overusing antibiotics/antibacterials, and I would agree with Mr. Savage on that item, I still stand by the rest of my post:

He's a self-aggrandizing idiot that needs a few good smacks upside the head.

;)

Failing that, hopefully one day his sponsors will all bail on him, and he will cease to be inflicted on my eardrums even by accident.

:)

Well, he's definitely over the top. But, he does it for a reason. You have to take it with a grain of salt, but recognize that he's usually making a legit point, even if he does go overboard occasionally.
 
I personally think this has been blown way out of proportion, and the soundbites, while Savage's own words and spoken by him, have been manicured by the liberal side of the media to make him look like an extremist. Is he really, though?

as usual, his comments have been partially reported and taken WAY out of context.

Guys, I'm just NOT seeing this at all. I'll pose the same question to you two that I did above (which still hasn't been answered).

I listened to his portion of the Youtube clip. What would be the "context" to statements like "autism is a fraud, a racket", "everyone had asthma from the minority community" and "autism, in 99% of the cases, is a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out"?
These are direct quotes from the clip. To say after the fact that he wasn't talking about "legitimate" cases of autism is nothing but spin, IMO. If he was ONLY talking about illegitimate cases, he wouldn't have had to say "99% of the cases"--I'm calling BS on this.:spit:
 
We're drugging our children and taking away their personalities, turning them into emotionless zombies. A kid with a rotten home life SHOULD be acting out. It's a normal response to dealing with problems. Instead of teaching them to better deal with their emotions, we drug all the emotion out of them. He's tired of drug companies using children as guinea pigs for their products. And I think he's right in that regard. Instead of adjusting how we deal with high energy kids who don't learn well sitting in a classroom and use a more hands on approach to learning, we drug them so they'll behave in class. When a teenage girl has mood swings, we drug them into static emotional states. Teenage girls are supposed to have mood swings. By drugging them, we stunt their emotional growth. That's what he was harping on, not making fun of LEGITIMATE Autism.

Again - how many people in this thread have spent time around someone (let alone a child) with severe autism? As common as it is, I can't be the only one. I'm sure there are even parents of severely autistic children on TB.

Autism is NOT about "high energy" or "mood swings". And again, why do people in this thread want to keep trying to tie it in with ADD/ADHD?

Oh, and having listened to the complete audio of his remarks, I think GregC is right on the money.
 
as usual, his comments have been partially reported and taken WAY out of context. What he basically said is that pediatricians used to be the lowest paid of all physicians and rarely, if ever, prescribed drugs for most behavior problems. Now that they are prescribing mood altering drugs, the long-term effects of which are typically unknown or very dangerous, they are paid on par with the rest of the medical world. He specifically said he was not talking about LEGITIMATE cases of autism or mental or physical disability but that Autism is the new favorite diagnosis for kids who are a little weird or have some behavioral problems - similar to the overdiagnosis of ADD/ADHD in the recent past. What he's critical of is the tendency of Americans to medicate themselves or their children for everything, which is dangerous. We're drugging our children and taking away their personalities, turning them into emotionless zombies. A kid with a rotten home life SHOULD be acting out. It's a normal response to dealing with problems. Instead of teaching them to better deal with their emotions, we drug all the emotion out of them. He's tired of drug companies using children as guinea pigs for their products. And I think he's right in that regard. Instead of adjusting how we deal with high energy kids who don't learn well sitting in a classroom and use a more hands on approach to learning, we drug them so they'll behave in class. When a teenage girl has mood swings, we drug them into static emotional states. Teenage girls are supposed to have mood swings. By drugging them, we stunt their emotional growth. That's what he was harping on, not making fun of LEGITIMATE Autism.
Absolutely. I just saw a video on, of all things, the AIDS cases in Africa. It was quite interesting. It made the point that all that AIDS funding is directed by, and controlled by, the drug companies. The AIDS epidemic in Africa is largely a hoax, because they changed the diagnosis criteria from the actual blood count of the viral antibodies to a set of four or five symptoms, which do not correlate to the actual disease itself. High fever, persistent cough, more than 10% weight loss from baseline, these are the top three, I cannot remember the other two off the top of my head (be nice, it's 5AM!); these are basic symptoms that are present for 99% of the patients seen in the clinic. They do not draw blood for diagnosis. Present in Africa are several strains of TB, which account for all the symptoms, as does malaria, which is also a known killer. Plus, you add on all the parasites they have over there, and the fact that most of the population over there has been exposed to these diseases, and survived, and your diagnostic criteria is severely inadequate. Could be TB, could be malaria, could be parasite infection, yet it all goes in the AIDS bucket, which is why AIDS is the leading cause of death in Africa. Turns out it is the same diseases that have been killing Africans since the beginning of time!

I'd like to know what the criteria for diagnosis really is for autism these days, as any two symptoms can put one on the autism "spectrum"; diagnosis of autism had a specific set of criteria up until the last ten years or so, and it was a rigid list. Now, from what I hear, they have similarly retooled the clinical definition of autism, and the new definition is MUCH more broad and loosely-defined. So if they change the baseline for a diagnosis of autism, and they prescribe drugs for behavioral anomalies that may or may not be attributable to autism, what is the result? Increased sales of *expensive and profitable* drugs.

Same thing happened with Lipitor. They moved the bar, so to speak, from a cholesterol reading of 220 mg/dl to 200 mg/dl as the starting point of people being on statin drugs. Previoulsy, if you were a big guy, had your blood drawn, and the count was 219 mg/dl on your cholesterol count, you'd get an admonition from your doctor to watch your diet and stay off the couch. Now, with the bar reset, you are firmly in the undesirable range, and you must be on statin drugs to lower your cholesterol. Guess what happened when they reset the upper limit? Sales of statins skyrocketed, since the pool of "eligible customers" suddenly got about 4-5 times bigger. Nice, huh?

I think that's the point that Savage was trying to make- that doctors are under the influence of "Big Pharma", and have become all too willing to "upsell" little Johnny into mind-altering drugs. The bar HAS been lowered.

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