+1 , I find this trend of condemnation being part of the same madness that is going on with political correctness.
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What do you think of Michael Savage's comments?
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+1 , I find this trend of condemnation being part of the same madness that is going on with political correctness.
I wasn't commenting on Savage's comments since (1) I didn't hear them and (2) it's hard to discuss him in general without it getting political.
I was simply noting that in this thread the two have been brought up in conjunction which doesn't make much sense to me. The reason there is such controversy about the existence/degree of ADD and its proposed treatments is that it is difficult to discern from unruly behavior of kids who simply need more parental control. On the other hand, autism is a clear condition visible to even the most casual observers.
For the most part. One must rule out a multitude of other potential physical and mental illnesses before reaching the conclusion.
The kid above who 'needs to be smacked' could very well have Asperger's Syndrome.
That's my considered internet opinion, after thinking about it carefully for 4-6 seconds, easily the amount of time Savage puts into his deepest thoughts before spewing...
That's my considered internet opinion, after thinking about it carefully for 4-6 seconds, easily the amount of time Savage puts into his deepest thoughts before spewing...
Here's where I disagree. I MUCH prefer people like Savage who make their opinions (and sometimes their small-mindedness) CLEARLY known. This is how human beings REALLY are: somewhat inappropriate at times, and invested more in their own emotional responses to issues, rather than tailoring their views so that they conform to some misguided notion of Political Correctness. The fact that editors/newscasters/funding sourses at major media outlets pretend to be objective and somewhat more enlightened and fair (whether you're talking CNN or the 'No Spin Zone') is what is shocking and repulsive, IMO. Of course, I equally pay attention to both, because IME being familiar with both sides is important when trying to carve out your own views. I'm an Equal Opportunity Professional Cynic.
So should racists, sexists, homophobes and prejudice people be allowed to freely express their opinions? That's what I'm getting from you
Why are you defending the bastard anyways?
Why are you defending the bastard anyways?
Yes, they absolutely should have the same right to express their opinions. Free speech applies to all viewpoints in this country, at least IMO. To your second point, I have said before that I don't think that someone making a mistep invalidates their entire viewpoint. Despite not agreeing with Savage about 98% of the time, I still agree with him on many things. Despite not having any direct experience with autism, I think Savage is in the wrong here, for the most part. I still support his right to say whatever he wants. If you don't like it, don't listen. Simple.
I think that's just plain messed up. So hate speech should be seen on TV and mainstream outlets? People who are prejudice to others are wastes of air and do not deserve the life they have.
Good philosophy </sarcasm>
Good philosophy </sarcasm>
Wow, another great buzzword. What exactly does hate have to do with believing that some cases of Autism are really some other behavioral problem? Do YOU get to define what hatespeech is? Anything that doesn't fit into your enlightened way of viewing things?
Besides, being on AM radio is hardly 'mainstream'. Please don't act as if someone has you tied down to a chair with your eyelids peeled back to force you to watch/listen.
if you think a radio show is the reason the world sucks today, i think youre the reason the world sucks today.
try not listening to him if he bothers you so much. or keep listening to him and posting here how much you dont like him, so more people read about him, more people know who he is, more popular he gets, the more "the world sucks" in your eyes...
There used to be a common saying in the US: " I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." I think the sentiment is clearly stated, so I won't take the time to explain what it means.
That being said, the thing many people tend to overlook is the concept that with the right to free speech comes the responsibility for said free speech. Savage can say what he wants; that's fine. However, his sponsors have the right to revoke their sponsorship if they don't like what they say. The people hearing his words have a right to boycott the sponsors or the radio station on which his show is aired. If this happens often enough, Savage is gone. "Hoisted by his own petard," so to speak. That's the way truly free societies work.
Banning a guy for his opinion? No thanks. Who decides what "hate speech" (whatever that is
) is, anyway? Slippery slope, my friend. Slippery slope.
I think it was rude. He needs to be more educated in this area...he's a moron who needs a good spanking himself!!
I have a few friends with kids that has it and it irks me that he said that *$&#
I have a few friends with kids that has it and it irks me that he said that *$&#
That phrase is generally attributed to Voltaire. But I suppose it's possible we lost track of that fact after Jacque Chirac voiced an opinion that we Americans didn't like and there were numerous calls to boycott all things French. Slightly ironic I think. Well, I'm off to grab a burger and Freedom fries.
Oh, and Atoz, I thought you'd be interested in this. There is apparently a remake of Death Race 2000 coming out starring Jason Statham. From the commercial I saw I thought it looked terrible, but then again you and I have a slightly different view on the quality of the original.
I personally think this has been blown way out of proportion, and the soundbites, while Savage's own words and spoken by him, have been manicured by the liberal side of the media to make him look like an extremist. Is he really, though? Depends on your point of view, I guess. Many of the points he makes in his show are valid, to me. Many times he exposes himself as a narrow-minded person who longs for days gone by. There's a whole bunch of people in America that feel the same thing- wishing for the days before the Politically Correct onslaught, the days when common sense stood a chance, the simpler time and place that was the pre-Imperium. Nowadays, you're prohibited from speaking your mind due to several decades of social manipulation. If you think you haven't been socially manipulated, your thoughts have never been influenced by the world we live in, and the decaying of modern society, then please speak up. The last three decades I have lived in, I have witnessed it.
For instance, my family used to go on road trips, and we kids would have bedrolls in the back of the station wagon where we'd nap when tired or bored. Everything forward of the back of the front bench seat was adults only, we had full reign of the back two-thirds of the car. If you see a kid climbing around in the back of a station wagon these days, the car usually gets stopped by police, the parents ticketed for child abuse, the kids taken away to become wards of the state...
We had an Impala way back in the late 60s, and if we were traveling in it, our favorite spot was stretched out in the back window, watching the cars behind us, and the hills and forests streaming away from us. Once again, it is now illegal, and parents who let their kids do this are punished.
People used to talk about life, reminiscing about last summer's trip to the beach, the river, Uncle Sammy falling off the bike trying to teach the kids how to ride backwards, etc. Nowadays, much of the talk I hear is regurgitation of the soundbites they hear on the news. Not forming their own opinion, not thinking and talking through issues- they no longer teach critical thinking skillz in schools, just teaching the standardized test so that enough will pass that they will qualify to get their federal funds handout. Most families are dual-income, with both parents working full-time, some are even working two or three jobs each to try to scrape by.
Gone are the days when Dad went to work in the morning at 8, and Mom cooked, cleaned the house, talked to other moms, and spent time rearing the kids, until Dad came home at 5. The crucial job of parenting has been largely taken over by the school system, and to some degree, the government (after-school daycare programs, etc.). Every day life lessons are being taught to kids by strangers with an agenda that may or may not align with the parents. If the child is rebellious in the least, or bored, they act out in ways that sometimes mimic ADD/ADHD, autism, or a variety of other behavioral disorders, and the teachers or other guardians report it.
Is it the kids' fault that they have absentee parents, or lack discipline?
For instance, my family used to go on road trips, and we kids would have bedrolls in the back of the station wagon where we'd nap when tired or bored. Everything forward of the back of the front bench seat was adults only, we had full reign of the back two-thirds of the car. If you see a kid climbing around in the back of a station wagon these days, the car usually gets stopped by police, the parents ticketed for child abuse, the kids taken away to become wards of the state...
We had an Impala way back in the late 60s, and if we were traveling in it, our favorite spot was stretched out in the back window, watching the cars behind us, and the hills and forests streaming away from us. Once again, it is now illegal, and parents who let their kids do this are punished.
People used to talk about life, reminiscing about last summer's trip to the beach, the river, Uncle Sammy falling off the bike trying to teach the kids how to ride backwards, etc. Nowadays, much of the talk I hear is regurgitation of the soundbites they hear on the news. Not forming their own opinion, not thinking and talking through issues- they no longer teach critical thinking skillz in schools, just teaching the standardized test so that enough will pass that they will qualify to get their federal funds handout. Most families are dual-income, with both parents working full-time, some are even working two or three jobs each to try to scrape by.
Gone are the days when Dad went to work in the morning at 8, and Mom cooked, cleaned the house, talked to other moms, and spent time rearing the kids, until Dad came home at 5. The crucial job of parenting has been largely taken over by the school system, and to some degree, the government (after-school daycare programs, etc.). Every day life lessons are being taught to kids by strangers with an agenda that may or may not align with the parents. If the child is rebellious in the least, or bored, they act out in ways that sometimes mimic ADD/ADHD, autism, or a variety of other behavioral disorders, and the teachers or other guardians report it.
Is it the kids' fault that they have absentee parents, or lack discipline?
Absolutely. I want to HEAR it...I don't want them to keep it bottled up.
Whatever...I could watch the Rev. Wrights all day.
Expose them (or let them expose themselves)!
Honestly I don't think it is ironic at all (and no, I did not take part in said boycott). Freedom of speech has nothing to do with boycotts and attempts to force apologies and everything to do with the government not being allowed to stifle someone's expression. If a person has a negative (and legal) reaction to something someone says or believes then that's just another product of the freedoms we have, not a stifling of that person's right to say something (even though we're talking about something that was said in France here, not in the US).
Your point seems forced.
bc
Savage had a brother with serious problems (IIRC, the brother never spoke a word in 20+ years).
