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What does "bad tone" sound like?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by COLDGLU, Jun 18, 2017.


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  1. COLDGLU

    COLDGLU

    Aug 29, 2016
    Netherlands
    Yes, this question is subjective to the individual.
    So, I'm asking what you personally consider to be "bad tone".

    I'm not entirely sure myself, other than that it would sound thin or muddy.

    What is "bad" bass tone to you?
    In contrast, what is "good" bass tone to you?

    Post examples if need be!
     
  2. Killed_by_Death

    Killed_by_Death Snaggletooth

    Jan 2, 2015
    heart of darkness
    The less tones in a timbre, the thinner it sounds.
    Generally a good broad timbre (with many tones in it) sounds more pleasing to the ears.

    Also, with a broad timbre you can easily remove that part of the timbre you don't like, the high end or low end.
    It is possible to add tones to the timbre, if the default timbre is thin/narrow, but it generally sounds better if the instrument itself is creating the timbre.
     
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  3. gebass6

    gebass6 We're not all trying to play the same music.

    May 3, 2009
    N.E Illinois
    To me bad tone would be a deep,deep muffled thump.
    Or an all treble metallic clack.
     
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  4. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Banned Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    "Bad tone" is genre/band/song specific.

    Chris Squire would have sounded every bit as ridiculous playing Motown as Jamerson would have sounded playing Yes. But they both sounded amazing in their element.
     
  5. mongo2

    mongo2

    Feb 17, 2008
    Da Shaw
    I now mostly play nylon strings on super-short scale instruments I DIY convert from guitars so I'm not going for a lot of zing.
     
  6. jmlee

    jmlee Catgut? Not funny. Supporting Member

    Jun 16, 2005
    Halifax, Nova Scotia
    Ah, bad tone...I have a gig on Friday. C'mon by. No further explanation will be required.
     
  7. chris_b

    chris_b

    Jun 2, 2007
    Bad tone?

    No body, heft, definition, fatness, fullness, clarity, life, soul. . . . .warmth.

    A sound that's missing any combination of these.
     
  8. Gorn

    Gorn

    Dec 15, 2011
    Queens, NY
    Any bass tone that makes notes difficult to distinguish. For me that's most distortion of any kind. If I can't tell note from the other or all the bass is adding is low frequency rumbling, I'm not interested.
     
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  9. Sartori

    Sartori Supporting Member

    Scooped.

    All low end or all high end.

    Overly clean.
     
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  10. ajkula66

    ajkula66

    Sep 23, 2016
    NEPA
    Any and every tone that sticks out of context without this state of affairs being the specific intention of both the player and the band.
     
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  11. honeyiscool

    honeyiscool

    Jan 28, 2011
    San Diego, CA
    On one hand, this is probably everyone's idea of a bad bass tone.



    On the other hand, it's perfect for the song, this sound was immensely popular then, and this band was bigger than any of our bands.
     
  12. nostatic

    nostatic Supporting Member

    Jun 18, 2004
    los angeles, CA
    Endorsing Artist: FEA Labs
    pretty much any weekend at GC
     
  13. Sartori

    Sartori Supporting Member

    I don't think it's perfect for the song at all.
     
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  14. pcake

    pcake Supporting Member

    Sep 20, 2011
    Los Angeleez
    i love fieldy's tone on this entire album, actually. i doubt i'd like it as much if it were played with a blues band, but it's a tasty tone.

    bad tone varies depending on what the listener enjoys and the needs of the song.
     
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  15. Sartori

    Sartori Supporting Member

    A lot of the tone the hi-fi folks here love I think is pretty bad, to my ears.
     
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  16. GregC

    GregC Johnny and Joe Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 19, 2007
    Chicago
    Not only is it dependent on the individual's ears, it also depends on the genre and band. A bass tone that works for, say, Meshuggah may be disastrous for Sturgill Simpson and vice versa.
     
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  17. Bad tone to one is good tone to another. I dislike tone that is muddy and not distinct. I also dislike bass tone that has too much treble added and creates a lot of fret noise. But mostly, I hate a bass tone that gets lost in the mix. Turn it up and it is too loud and covers the other instruments, turn it down and you can't hear it at all. Bad tone.
     
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  18. Flaked Beans

    Flaked Beans

    Sep 9, 2005
    NYC
    This:

    and this:

    Hahaha
     
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  19. Super Bass

    Super Bass Supporting Member

    Feb 4, 2017
    Alberta, Canada
    Are you implying disrespect?
     
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  20. I agree completely. I really don't like a lot of the tones the jazz cats here enjoy, and classic rock tones in general, guitar and bass, irk me for some reason. But get a little crunch or grit on it and it's like the sound has a soul now. Or put it through some gnarly fuzz and rock the whole neighborhood from your basement jam. :smug:

    General "bad tone" criteria for me:

    Anything unbalanced without reason (it just sticks out)

    All fret clank (it sounds great augmenting notes just not as loud / louder than the notes)

    Overly clean and balanced (it's just dull; it should have some character to it one way or the other)

    Quirky effects. I seriously hate this. I keep seeing avant-garde guys with so many auto-wahs, flangers, chorus effects, delays, and phasers layered over their 16th licks a proper, in-key pitch never sounds on the notes.

    I will also say, I have mad respect for true jazz players and most have good tones. It's just a lot of the "new age, avant-garde" crowd gets too heady and weird. I'm all for experimental, but it's like poetry: When it strays too far away from the fundamental rules of the language your message gets lost.
     
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