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What happened to funk?

Nobody!! When I saw them do (er mime) Pow on Soul Train, I almost fell out my chair! Singing, dancing and playing like a crazed wolverine! :eek: Even up into the early 90's folks were challenging that Hair was double-tracked and Larry played it live on the radio! While a lot of the stuff he played with Sly was groundbreaking, he was being subdued musically. Beyond the issues with Sly, Larry had to go out and do his own thing! And I'm damn glad he did!

Yep, damn near got into fights over that one. Heck, we had the same arguments over "Thank You...".
:D

"There is no way that wasn't overdubbed!That's two guys".

"No it isn't!".


*fisticuffs ensues*

"Check him out on "In Concert* or Don Kirschner's Rock Concert" this Friday and see".

Watched the show, was finally able to pick jaw up later on Saturday. He not only did it, he sang lead and background vocals too. Then you ended up on the other side of the argument. The cycle continues.
;)




*the holy grail for live performance on tv back in the day
 
DWBass said:
And guess what? Radio doesn't play much of it beyond Jill Scott, Kem, Angie Stone, Ledesi and maybe a couple others. There is some really good Neo-Soul out there. Really good grown folks, progressive soul music and radio won't touch it!
You are lucky out west in the Southland the one remaining "urban" station Stevie Wonder's station has moved to more hip hop and the Chris Brown music in an attempt to. Keep the little neo soul and gospel on the air.
 
I place great emphasis on someone's opinion who lived through a certain era.

Why? Because although one can definitely learn a lot from just listening to music, much like with art, film and literature....there are and were many forces (cultural and historical) which help to shape something. So someone who has lived through something was also exposed to the same elements the author lived through, thus...similar viewpoints.

Take a typical 70's funk band. The original musicians probably had lifetime exposure to gospel, soul, motown, etc...even possibly a little new wave (the use of synth and space effects), jazz fusion like Herbie Hancock's headhunters and of course Weather Report... the music they then created was shaped by those influences...but some band of white kids messing around with funk in this day and age? Sorry, but it lacks substance. They (more then likely) just decided one day "hey, lets be a funk band" ...and the result? End up needing to dress up like Mummies.


I don't much like "updates" and "retreads" and "reboots" to original styles...it seems to me most miss the important aspects of whatever they are trying to mimic.

Seems like when you put the words "neo" in front of something, the end result is often too distilled or full of kitsch to be of any worth.

I will give you one current example. I am a part of the "tiki" scene (my bands)...

the original tiki music was called exotica, and was performed by jazz musicians with orchestral backgrounds. Thus, you had the music of Les Baxter, Arthur Lyman, Martin Denny, Esquivel, etc...

The music was definitely jazz based. Hallmarks included vibraphones, bird calls, ambience...basically a hollywood cinematic jazz based take on foreign music from africa, the carribean, polynesia and asia....

Nowadays, there is a huge resurgence that is called "tiki revival", and except for a few great bands that really did thier homework, most of it is just surf rock bands and garage rock bands that write songs about tiki stuff, may have a few bird calls, but nevertheless have no elements of jazz in their music. It is (for the most part) very simplistic, 3 chord music which is nothing like the lush, orchestral stuff of the original scene.

As a result, I like very little of it.

I feel the same thing has happened with Funk, and even with another genre I have fondness for, Prog rock.

Having said that, I do like a lot of "neo soul", because I think that is one genre that actually got it right.

And PS, I am no longer in "the Hula Girls" band, which though is a great band, also had little to do with the original "exotica" style.

Couldn't agree more. Being able to listen to recordings is cool but it's no substitute for actually being there with all of those influences AS THEY ARE HAPPENING. It's very common for folks to not look at things in context. Jaco's a great example. Nowadays you can find 14 year olds playing Donna Lee on Youtube but if you remember what things were like prior to him it tends to lend towards a greater appreciation of what he was able to accomplish.

I remember when this first hit the radio...
 
Brad Johnson said:
If you listen to "Thank You" and "Hair", do they really sound that different tonally? Not to me.

Thank you sounds like sly's playing bass and hair sounds like Larry.

The techniques are totally different to my ear. I actually think thank you has at least 2 bass tracks
 
I grew up just outside NYC and just a FWIW, on the late 70's hits of Kool And The Gang, it was Will Lee on bass and not Kool for a lot of it. Not that it matters, I'm sure Kool wrote the parts and they were just going for a little slicker sound.
 
I grew up just outside NYC and just a FWIW, on the late 70's hits of Kool And The Gang, it was Will Lee on bass and not Kool for a lot of it. Not that it matters, I'm sure Kool wrote the parts and they were just going for a little slicker sound.
I wouldn't be surprised there as they had an outside producer for many years during their heyday! Deodato IIRC.
 
I grew up just outside NYC and just a FWIW, on the late 70's hits of Kool And The Gang, it was Will Lee on bass and not Kool for a lot of it. Not that it matters, I'm sure Kool wrote the parts and they were just going for a little slicker sound.

No doubt. Fortunately Kool played all of the cooler earlier stuff.

Will really came into his own on that first Brecker Bros. album. He killed.

Speaking of the Breckers, they had their moments too funkwise. Plus the AWB work.
 
Good lord, Bluewine...I look TWICE as old as you.

(maybe I am the old goat now!)

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Been speed reading through this thread and I'm liking all the feedback from various eras. I'd like to add that George Clinton can't sing a lick and can't play any instrument but he is the greatest living funk coordinator ever. Funkadelic, Parliament, Brides, All Stars, Bootsy, you either rolled with the "1" or got ran over by it. Somehow sadly I didn't see the Ohio Players mentioned or linked. And funk doesn't need be "tight"
 
I got the same impression as bluewine when I watched that Mummies clip. It has a very Amos and Andy vibe to me. Like people who aren't Black doing their impression of what they think stereotypical Black people act like.
:hmm:

Here's the opposite of that IMO:


I could be wrong but I get the impression that these are folks who genuinely love James Brown. They're not clowning him and it comes through in their music.


Fair enough. I see them as a gimmick, not serious and humorous band more than a mockery, and the fact that they have at least one black member also disuades me from viewing it in such a manner.

But more importantly, da*n, that JB Tribute group seriously kicks it. Awesome stuff there.

...but some band of white kids messing around with funk in this day and age? Sorry, but it lacks substance. They (more then likely) just decided one day "hey, lets be a funk band" ...and the result? End up needing to dress up like Mummies.

I'm just saying, but they're purportedly all Nashville studio musicians, not just some kids putting this together. Maybe it's not true, but that's the story behind the band


EITHER WAY, I'm done discussing them, they are what they are, like 'em or not. Let's get back to discussing some seriously Funky music. Let's try to get some more clips of modern funk bands!
 
Fair enough. I see them as a gimmick, not serious and humorous band more than a mockery, and the fact that they have at least one black member also disuades me from viewing it in such a manner.

But more importantly, da*n, that JB Tribute group seriously kicks it. Awesome stuff there.

A note: having a Black member really means nothing in this regard. Some Black people don't always get what they doing... or worse, don't care. Of course they have the right to do either.
:)

I have a friend, Robert "Mousey" Thompson, who was James Brown's drummer for around the last 15 years that he performed and he now has a tribute band so when I saw "James Brown Tribute" in Youtube I expected to see them. I was pleasantly surprised to say the least.