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What has Jaco taught you?

As a musician, I would say that "substance use" and "substance abuse" are two different things, yes drugs can be bad, but like it or not they have influenced a lot of great music.

Plus there are alot worse problems....

Sort of off topic, sorry to bring things like that up, but I hate to see so many people rant with over-generalizations about drugs.
 
There are plenty of threads discussing the great recordings he has done. But for starters, listen to his first record - simply called "Jaco Pastorius", Weather Report's "Heavy Weather", and maybe Pat Metheny's "Bright Size Life".

People worship him because they like to have heroes. He was the first true virtuoso on the bass, and opened up the way for the instrument. He also happened to be a fabulous jazz musician, and wrote some beautiful music.

You should maybe get his biography and read it if you are interested.
 
ninnlangel said:
There are plenty of threads discussing the great recordings he has done. But for starters, listen to his first record - simply called "Jaco Pastorius", Weather Report's "Heavy Weather", and maybe Pat Metheny's "Bright Size Life".

People worship him because they like to have heroes. He was the first true virtuoso on the bass, and opened up the way for the instrument. He also happened to be a fabulous jazz musician, and wrote some beautiful music.

You should maybe get his biography and read it if you are interested.

I'll check those recordings out, and I'll wikipedia him or somethin... either way I'll have some further appreciation of him. Thanks!

Hope the thread didn't get too derailed... just wondering what else Jaco has taught other people in technique and the like in playing?
 
Isn't it kind of sad that in a thread started in the technique forum about Jaco Pastorius, a man who developed ground breaking techniques for playing the electric bass guitar, has so little discussion of technique.

I'm sure that most of us can agree that drugs are bad (m'kay) - I don't think that is what this thread is about. I think the OP wanted a discussion about what techniques people have developed that have been influenced by Jaco's playing.

If you don't like Jaco, and therefore you haven't been influenced by his playing at all, I don't really see where that needs to be posted in a thread like this. You don't have to respond just because you opened the thread.
 
When I dug into him a couple years a go, Jaco's recordings taught me a lot about technique and what's possible on the electric bass in relation to melodicism and groove. He was also the first (far from only now, but definitely the first) bass player I heard who really did a lot more than just play bass -- that is, he was a far more complete musician than just playing basslines. Beyond what he was playing on his own instrument, I'm also a huge fan of his compositions and arranging as well. Dig the horn parts on Dry Cleaner from Des Moines from the Joni Mitchell album "Mingus."

His story also taught me a lot about mental illness and drug abuse, but there are way too many people who have only taken that from him. Believe me, if you're looking for drug abusers, there are plenty of other people in jazz to learn from too. There's a lot of people who read the first edition of the Milkowski book or see the Modern Electric Bass video and judge him as a person solely on this evidence. I urge any bassist to read things about him written by Pat Metheny, and to read about the early years.

We shouldn't forget about his later years, or the bad recordings, because they really do serve as a tragic and cautionary tale for aspiring young musicians, but we shouldn't focus on them as the sole indicator of Jaco as a person or musician. IMO, the electric bass was born with Jamerson, but Jaco was the first to really, really put the instrument through its paces.

For a really interesting look at Jaco's music from a different perspective is to pick up Brian Bromberg's album "Jaco." It was originally supposed to be a tribute album featuring a bunch of different bassists, but it all got loaded onto him and he came up with some really beautiful arrangements. Dig Portrait of Tracy played on upright bass :eek:

ninnlangel said:
People worship him because they like to have heroes. He was the first true virtuoso on the electric bass, and opened up the way for the instrument. He also happened to be a fabulous jazz musician, and wrote some beautiful music.

You should maybe get his biography and read it if you are interested.
I hestitate to correct that because I don't want you to think I'm trying to inform you of some brand new fact, just to illuminate a typo. Don't mean anything by it.

That said, I agree with everything you've written in here. The newer edition of the Milkowski book has a lot of really good content on Jaco's early years and about the "good times," if you will, and is a far better indicator of Jaco as a person than the original edition.
 
Aaron Saunders said:
I hestitate to correct that because I don't want you to think I'm trying to inform you of some brand new fact, just to illuminate a typo. Don't mean anything by it.

Damn, I always thought he played upright. That must be why I can't get his tone on my german 3/4.

















Lol. Hey, bass is a context sensitive word for me. This is the electric bass side afterall ! :bassist:

Good to know about the new edition, the old one was very negative, and I heard Larry Grenadier saying Pat Metheny thinks there's a lot of BS in there... I'll have to check it out.
 
Scottgun said:
That is clue number one that all is not well with Jaco at this point. Jeremy Jemmott introduces Jaco by going over many of Jaco's accomplishments, to which Jaco replies, "gimme a gig" because he had alienated so many musicians and couldn't find playing opportunities.

Clue 2 is when he is playing something, makes a flub and says, "Whew! Outta shape man!"

Clue 3 is the absence of a fretless bass. I don't know if this is after he left his famous one in a city park somewhere, but he ends up having to play Jeremy's funky-looking one with the scrollwork.

Still, even Jaco at a low point offers a few worthwhile things. I still play fragments of "The Real Deal" that I can remember because it has a great string-crossing exercise in it. It's an ok video, but not really instructional.
This was made in 1984 (I think) he still had the BoD at this point but I guess he just didn't bring it. He says in the first video that he only uses/d fretless basses at gigs because the strings ate up the fretboard. That could be a reason that he didn't have it with him.

lowsound
 
I can tell for sure that Jaco gave me a great lesson: I started my life as a bassist playing in tropical music bands (still do) and in that context, the most important thing is the "boom" in your tone. Trebley noises from the bass were unthinkable for tropical musicians (many of them still think like that. Actually, they feel happy when plaster starts falling from the ceiling because of the low frequencies). I started practicing some stuff from the "Modern Electric Bass" video as soon as I got it (back in 1991). I loved the "Jam in E" and after learning the first few bars, I couldn't understand how that guy could get such a defined tone while I only got "boom, boom". It was a true education on the bridge pickup's effect on tone. He was also the first I saw doing the "neck bending" trick.
 
groovejam said:
As a musician, I would say that "substance use" and "substance abuse" are two different things, yes drugs can be bad, but like it or not they have influenced a lot of great music.

Plus there are alot worse problems....

Sort of off topic, sorry to bring things like that up, but I hate to see so many people rant with over-generalizations about drugs.

Right . . . well I don't know what an "over-generalization" is, but my post pertained to this thread, which is specifically about a person whose life was destroyed by alchohol and drug abuse, and referred specifically to musicians who abuse drugs and alchohol.
 
iamlowsound said:
This was made in 1984 (I think) he still had the BoD at this point but I guess he just didn't bring it. He says in the first video that he only uses/d fretless basses at gigs because the strings ate up the fretboard. That could be a reason that he didn't have it with him.

lowsound

That video is from 1985 and, as far as I understand, he ruined his bass' neck and it got a fretted maple Precision neck, the one that can be seen in the DCI video.
 
I don't think i've had any of my technique directly influenced by Jaco, and i've never (apart from fooling around) tried to emulate his tone, phrasing or dress sense, but he's a huge inspiration in terms of being someone who stamped his own unique personality on his playing style and as someone who raised the bar in all aspects of his chosen instrument

I respect him a little too much to want to sound too much like him... as much as I love the playing of Gary Willis, I sometimes feel like i'm hearing a little too much Jaco
 
Untill now, Jaco has mostly taught me technique, but I hope to adapt some of his stile in my playing (don't flame me for this one, it is okay to learn from others, nobody has "exactly" their own style). I love that video, and he is not just a show off - if you buy it, there is a note sheet with it.
What can I say, Jaco is one of the main reasons that I love bass..
 
My techniques havent been influenced by Jaco, but my way to look at music has been, if by anyone, influenced solely by him. After watching all 10 of those little videos, I can see that all the weather report listening made a huge impact on the way I look at bass. Everything he does or shows in that video is stuff I've come to understand through listening to him play with WR, he was an amazing musician, an even greater bassist, and it is SAD to see that half the people in this thread can only talk about drugs when they could really learn something from him.
 
ninnlangel said:
Man, sorry to ask this, but why do you list jaco as an influence ? Your profile says wooten and jaco as influences... Did he only influence you not to take drugs ?

No, he didn't even influence me not to take drugs. Jaco did influence me musicaly. He as well as wooten open my eyes and ears to the more technical side of my instrument. Befor I had been exposed to both of them I was primarily a rock root note player.The biggest thing I got from his book was that everyone hated him and that ultimatly his abuse of drugs got the best of him. I guess I probably should have elaborated futher on how he played. My bad.
 
While Jaco's playing is what got me heavily into fusion and funk, I've since discovered other players that move me just as much. That being said I think his compositions are brilliant and should be just as much a part of the Jaco legacy. I'm listening to the George Mraz version of "Three Views of a Secret" what a great tune.