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Double Bass What Song is Missy Raines Playing?

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Oh, i'm sorry. I didn't get it. You must come from a world or a space where it is ok to speak about people like that. The line is much further along for you in that world. I prefer to stay away from that miserable world of treating people like that. You must be one wounded m-f'er. I'm out....

I'm all with that.

I'm from a world where it's free to speak your mind.
 
Sorry Paul, I thought the whole thing was kinda funny. Jazz guy wanders into bluegrass camp, is thoroughly unimpressed. Hillbilly's get riled. City boy gets a thumping. Bluegrass music continues...city boy revives, primitive ritual now played out, start drinking moonshine, realize they actually like each other. Next morning over very strong kettle coffee bluegrassers teaching city boy how to push the beat on a fiddle tune, city boy teaching bluegrassers waltz for debbie intro...
 
Sorry Paul, I thought the whole thing was kinda funny. Jazz guy wanders into bluegrass camp, is thoroughly unimpressed. Hillbilly's get riled. City boy gets a thumping. Bluegrass music continues...city boy revives, primitive ritual now played out, start drinking moonshine, realize they actually like each other. Next morning over very strong kettle coffee bluegrassers teaching city boy how to push the beat on a fiddle tune, city boy teaching bluegrassers waltz for debbie intro...

Ha, yeah, Jason... it's kinda funny until you realize you're on losing end of the Nurnberg Trials. :eek:
 
Let's can the personal stuff, please. Anyone is free to like of dislike whatever they want, but we need to be respectful of other styles that we might not really understand. (my first experiences with bluegrass playing were chronicled here - and it was a real edumacation that continues to this day).

Since this is in the bluegrass forum, slamming of 'grass music in general is not cool. Somebody coming into jazz technique and slamming jazz would be subject to the same rules.

Now, if we were to not make it derogatory and personal, it might be an instructive conversation about what things various styles value, and in what order, and why. Can we try that instead?
 
At the risk of getting hit by the sh*t-storm that has developed around a perfectly innocent question, I'd like to give some thoughts on the virtues of bluegrass for jazzers, ESPECIALLY beginning jazz upright bassists. As a jazz upright player for the past 30 years who began on upright in bluegrass and old-time music, I can say that the experience was extremely beneficial to me! All those roots and fifths played on every other beat (often without amplification) helped me develop my hand strength, sound, volume, technique, time, and intonation in a non-stressful, fun atmosphere while still gaining valuable stage experience and earning $$ while doing it! Also, the requirement to play simply while providing an energetic supportive groove with swing (though of a different kind than in jazz!) has stood me in good stead as a jazz player. One downside is that most tunes in these styles are played in sharp keys, so your ability to function in the flat keys that most jazz tunes employ is not developed.

Regarding the intonation issue in the video that has been dissected here ad nauseum, the first time I listened it did not register in my consciousness. On second listening I did notice some issues, however, for me it did not detract at all from the music. I think intonation is a complicated issue with many facets and perspectives to it. I think most classical players would say some of the same things about jazzers' intonation as has been said here about Missy's in this video. In the end, what matters most is how it serves the music being played. As has been mentioned before, we can all find examples of great playing by bass players we all revere such as Paul Chambers, Ron Carter, and Scott Lafaro that exhibits a somewhat "flexible" sense of pitch.

As to whether someone with "unconventional" technique should advertise themselves as a teacher, let the market decide! If there's someone who has something you want and is willing to show you how to do it, you should go for it! I think the market has decided about Missy Raines!
 
When I started playing bass in the late sixties, it was to accompany friends who played bluegrass and old-time music at family gatherings. By the early seventies, my friends had moved away, I started doubling on electric bass, and my musical interests shifted among several other genres. But, we've continued to play music together during our infrequent reunions for more than forty years.

Several months ago, I attended a memorial service for one of these friends; we all brought our instruments and played the old songs in her memory. Her son, a mandolin player and an avid fan of old-time music, invited me to visit him in New Hampshire to play music with him and his musical friends later this year; thus, my original inquiry.

I'm not a bluegrass player; I fake it a few times per decade in deference to long standing friendships that mean more to me than differences in the kinds of music we choose to listen to in the long intervals between reunions.

Thank you, Chuck Corbisiero, for playing "Name That Tune;" the two songs do sound similar.

I don't understand why snarkiness is so much more prevalent than kindness. Nor why finger pointing, criticism, and chest pounding are more common than consideration and thoughtfulness. Had I been able to predict the kinds of responses this thread has engendered, it may have been wiser for my question to have remained academic. I apologize for the fecal-storm than ensued.

Moderators: please close this thread.
 
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