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What to say in GC.

What I have a hard time understanding is, in this day and age, as a music store owner, if you (and/or your employees) are tired of people coming in and looking around without buying, why not have a decent website that you keep up-to-date with what you have in stock?

I mean, it doesn't have to be fancy or expensive, hell, it could be a WordPress blog for all I care, as long as person can go on there and see a reasonably comprehensive list of what you are carrying. Because that would weed out a lot of people from ever setting foot in your store.

Just as annoying, maybe even more so, is when a brick n' mortar does have a website, but it's glaringly obvious that they put zero effort into it...like as far as what they are carrying goes, they have maybe one or two "group shots" of guitars/basses, taken from thirty feet away...sometimes they don't even list the makes they carry, never mind specific models. And/or the last time anyone from the store added any kind of content on the site was two years ago. Thanks for all the info!

I've been playing for almost thirty years, but am not/haven't been in a band for years. So I'm not gonna be shopping for a new amp every few years, PAs, etc., but I do like to treat myself to a new (or at least new to me) bass now and then, the odd gadget here and there...and I certainly wouldn't be 100% opposed to buying a brand new bass again someday (last time I bought new was 2012-ish) - but if you're not dealing in makes/models that appeal to me, guess what, I'm probably gonna go online and see what's out there from other dealers (including your local brick n' mortar competitors, either in person or, if they are a bit more tech-savvy/ambitious than you, online.)

Or, maybe you are carrying makes/models that I like, but (A) your sucky web presence combined with (B) you giving me the ol' stink-eye because I have been in a few times before but have yet to drop $500, $800, $1500, whatever, on a new bass from you, has me feeling less than welcome as a potential customer.

For the record - I'm not the guy who is in my local brick n' mortars every weekend, grabbing five basses off the walls, and noodling around on 'em with an amp at 11 for three hours. I make the rounds maybe once every four months or so, and if I do see a bass that looks interesting and take it off the wall, I might play it unplugged for five minutes.

All that being said, though, I am going to try my best down the road to support my local brick n' mortars (of which there are three in this town), for the simple fact that I think it's a good idea to support local businesses...plus, after the crapshoot/cold-sweat experience of buying used/online for several years (I've made some good buys, but some not-so-good too), I'm leaning more towards wanting to have a bass in my hands before buying it (the last bass I bought was purchased literally yesterday, and it was used, but at least it was local.)

A town about 1 hour 40 minutes west of here learned that lesson the hard way: they ended up going about two years without a grocery store because most people were driving to the nearest town to the east (about 40 minutes away) and/or the nearest town to the west (about an hour) to do their grocery shopping...supposedly it was cheaper for them to not buy their groceries locally...I guess their gas was free, and/or they could afford to spend three hours on the round-trip (if you include the time actually spent in the store) for grub, versus maybe half an hour if they'd just shopped locally? :cautious:

That town now has not one, but two grocery stores, both of which I'd guess are doing brisk business...:whistle:
 
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Oy. I feel you on lessons. My biggest problem was no-shows. I learned quickly to charge by the month. I had a short speech I gave. "You're not paying for a lesson. You're paying for me and that chair (point to the student's chair). I will be here. The chair will be here. So you're getting what you paid for." :D


(Of course, if I were given NOTICE that they wouldn't be coming, I would try to work with them to reschedule.)

Also, I did treat every customer with respect. But I dropped hints to those I knew were kicking tires..... especially if actual customers were waiting to try out gear. (We had a small amp room.)

I still teach occasionally, but it's on my terms: I'll take on one student, and I teach for free, but in return, I expect the following:

1) They practice at least 7 hours a week. They come prepared and ready to advance. If they had difficulty with anything, we discuss and come up with an exercise regimen to help them overcome it.
2) I'm there to teach theory and technique. Repertoire is on them. They can bring in what they're working on and we'll do a harmonic analysis to better understand the composer's intent or work out fingering for a particular passage, but I'm not going to turn it into a joyless exercise by teaching them how to play it.
3) If they show up unprepared three times, they're fired. I'd rather they cancel for a while (life happens -- I understand) than have to reteach the same thing again and again.
 
There are five GC stores within 30 minutes of my home. I haven't stepped foot in one in many, many years, and don't intend to do so anytime soon. There is nothing in the store I can't get with far less hassle and headache online from somewhere else for a comparable or better price. But that's just me...
 
I hope NO ONE who is a member of, or has ever used Talk Bass, EVER had to deal with Apple Music in Portland, OR back in the day. They were the worst. Anything costing over $500 was hanging from the ceiling, just out of reach (I'm 6'5", my reach is 8'3"). You had to ask a salesdouche for help, & they ALWAYS had to "ask the manager". If you didn't look like you had $$, you wouldn't see them again.

A popular T-shirt in the scene in the 90's was an "Apple Sucks" T-shirt. I saw several of them one year...
Yep, Apple Music was a mess, worst service ever. Luckily they went out of business several years ago. Portland Music ended up with all their leftover stock.
 
Ehh, it’s a music store. Read the first few posts, decided it was kinda the same thing over and over more or less...
GC gets the attention because they are so ubiquitous/homogeneous in any give city. TBT, the shenanigans you are reading about happen everywhere, given that the comparison establishment is reaching the same target audience. People are fun to watch/annoying as can be. The difference between the two is timing and perception.
 
I guess I kinda get the people who show off...I was young and in high school once and thought cause I knew a few cool lines that I was awesome and any chance to show my prowess off was just that...a chance to show off my prowess. I'm sure that a large portion of the appalled in this thread at one point in their playing career were also that kid who was annoying everyone in the store (or at least in the bass section).

That said, as I've gotten older, I see the value in humility and also learned that my few cool licks weren't all that cool and didn't really impress anyone. I also now wonder what I was hoping for by (attemtping) showing off here and there. Maybe I wanted someone to just shower me in compliments or maybe I thought someone would tap me on the shoulder and ask me to join in on their band or replace the bassist on the road in my favorite band...not sure, but today when the rare occurrence happens that I'm in a guitar shop (usually now to audition some pedals), that kind of behavior is really annoying. The absolute worst of the worst is when someone is whaling away and when they finally finish you walk over and plug in and they now see there is an audience so they rush back over and plug back in to perform again.

Now, thinking about it...I think the next time I'm in a guitar shop and actually trying to audition something and someone comes over to show off in front of me, I think I'll try to give them what they want and say - "wow, you are a really great player. Now that you know that I have heard you be amazing, do you think you can turn your amazing playing down a bit so I can check out this "x" that I came here to try." Is there a tactful way to ask someone to chill it back in a music store?
 
GC is like the insane asylum for the tone deaf. Employees tell me how bad it gets, but they can't say anything. But I can.....


To the wannabe guitarist noodling at full volume:
"You waiting here for lessons?" or
"Do you know any real songs?"



To the kid pounding the snot out of a drum kit:
"Do you play in your high school's marching band"

To the guy at the counter (very loudly)

"I want to play cool stuff like these guys.What type metronome/ guitar book do you recommend?
How about to the bassist that plays "higher Ground" a million times? GC noodling bassists made me hate that song for good:roflmao:
 
I hope NO ONE who is a member of, or has ever used Talk Bass, EVER had to deal with Apple Music in Portland, OR back in the day. They were the worst. Anything costing over $500 was hanging from the ceiling, just out of reach (I'm 6'5", my reach is 8'3"). You had to ask a salesdouche for help, & they ALWAYS had to "ask the manager". If you didn't look like you had $$, you wouldn't see them again.

A popular T-shirt in the scene in the 90's was an "Apple Sucks" T-shirt. I saw several of them one year...

They closed in 2015. I was actually treated pretty well and they let me test a 60's P bass. That being said I was wearing business clothes.
 
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Man, so much hate among musicians...what ever happened to "live and let live"?

When I was a lot younger, I would enjoy going to GC and check out some "dream" instruments I couldn't afford. I probably played annoying stuff way too loud, cause it was what I knew how to play, and I loved the sound of it through that instrument/amp/etc. And I would bet that a lot of you were also "that kid" at some point. We go through phases, we grow up, we mature. They will, too.

I see it this way: At least there are still quite a few young kids into making music, having a ball playing instruments. That's awesome! They could just as well spend their time playing Fornite or Pokemon Go or Fruit Ninja, but they choose to go to a music store and "rock out". :bassist::thumbsup:
 
The teenager shredding a black Les Paul Custom with full distortion... through a 1 x 12 solid state Crate making squawking squealing noxious unmusical sounds of dissonance that make a fork in a garbage disposal preferable finally hands the guitar back to the salesperson.

Sales-guy; "What do you think?" Teen prospect; "I didn't like the tone."
 
I hope NO ONE who is a member of, or has ever used Talk Bass, EVER had to deal with Apple Music in Portland, OR back in the day. They were the worst. Anything costing over $500 was hanging from the ceiling, just out of reach (I'm 6'5", my reach is 8'3"). You had to ask a salesdouche for help, & they ALWAYS had to "ask the manager". If you didn't look like you had $$, you wouldn't see them again.

A popular T-shirt in the scene in the 90's was an "Apple Sucks" T-shirt. I saw several of them one year...

Thank goodness for Captain Whizeagle. Fred and Toody really took care of the budding musicians of Portland. I bought a Rickenbacker 4005 Fireglo, and a Gretsch TK-300 from them in the early '80's.
 
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When I used to try out gear in GC, I'd try to play as quiet as possible so no one could hear me. Is that just me?
No. That’s me, too.

I never wanted to be “that guy”.

I typically know very quickly whether the item I’m testing is “the one”. I’ve learned the hard way (by buying MIM Fender guitars and basses) that when the right one speaks to you, listen and buy it.
 
What to say in GC.

It really doesn't matter what you say in GC … GC is like a circus freak show … a collections of strange people who walk in off the street … usually I say very little

That being said I have had a few good GC moments …

1 - I programmed a synthesizer to play the Who Song "Won't get fooled again" and everybody in the keyboard room thought I was a virtuoso … really all it was is that I knew how to use the arpeggiator
2 - The time a customer who had just spent 10 minutes talking with the salesman asked me if anything the salesman told him had any validity
3 - The time when the salesman told me that Rickenbacker was out of business … because he didn't have any for sale
4 - At the GC in Canton MI about 20 years ago the manager was a very good bass player with a lot of loyal students, and he was noodling in the bass room, his students were impressed, then I start noodling just as good as him and his students got worried that someone else could play as well as he did.

then there are the recurring rumors that GC will be broke before the end of the year … and the rumors repeat and they stay in business