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What would YOU do to save Gibson?

Gibson, Shmibson... I have 2. They BOTH have "sentimental" value. And... I'll NEVER get rid of either. If it were not for that... they would be long gone.

You're (maybe) a bit more sentimental than I am. Anything I have that doesn't get regular play finds a new home. That said, I do have four basses that I have a sentimental attachment to. Fortunately, I also really like the way they sound and play so I won't have to put myself to the test over them.

And thank heavens for that! I mean seriously, who needs that kind of aggravation, right? :laugh:
 
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You're (maybe) a bit more sentimental than I am. Anything I have that doesn't get regular play finds a new home. But I do have four basses that I have a sentimental attachment to. Fortunately, I also really like the way they sound and play so I won't have to put myself to the test over them.

And thank heavens for that! I mean seriously, who needs that kind of aggravation, right? :laugh:
My FIRST bass, is an '82, Victory. Got it in '82. Still have it. Pretty cool bass, for a 14 year old. And... my other, is a 5 string, Les Paul. Gift from My Daughter (and my EX), 26 years ago.. It's a boat anchor, and I'm too old to play it standing up, but... well... My Grandkids, will sell it, one day... for beer. HA!
 
Gene Simmons may made popular the Grabber or Ripper models, but Gibson had other popular basses like the EB's and the Thunderbirds, and even the RDs. Those were seen in the hands of other very famous players as Jack Bruce, John Entwistle, Tom Peterson, Tom Hamilton (see my avatar), Leon Wilkeson, Jack Cassady, Nikki Sixx, Krist Novoselic...

It seems that the company is suffering because of side bussiness, and the guitar part of bussiness is doing OK. So, if that's the case, getting rid of all the non-profitable side companies they own and focusing on guitar and basses would be my aim if I were in their place.
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Always loved the look of SG and LP basses but never found one I really liked the sound or feel of. I even went to the factory in Memphis and tried out a ES 335 and it really didn't "wow" me. So, I probably wouldn't do anything to save the company.
 
Why anyone would want to save them(Gibson) ?
Just let them sink.

For that prices and quality - they are much overpriced. And yes - I owned Gibson bass/guitar before.
Someone mentioned their attitude - Oh yeah, Gibson is the best ? Not even close. They are one of the most overrated(but probably THE MOST overrated) brand in the music industry(IMO).
 
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Two options:

*Build something I would actually buy & play. Nostalgia induced re-issues will only take you so far. To be fair, the newly released EB5 looks like something I just might buy but, then again, it reads "Gibson" on the headstock so I'd probably pass.

*Abandon the bass market and re-focus on that which is more profitable & sustainable

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*Abandon the bass market and re-focus on that which is more profitable & sustainable

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I hate to agree with this, but probably a good idea. And it would drive up prices on our existing Gibson basses, so that’s good!
 
Agree with everything being said here. I just looked up a LP Standard on Sweetwater.....um MSRP of $5500, priced at $3300. If I was a 20 year old looking for a LP, I'd probably end up with an Epi at those prices. Or better yet, a strat and a tele.

I don't know how to save them, but I do think their prices are out of line for a company selling knock-offs of its flagship models under the Epi brand. Too bad because Gibson is such an iconic American brand, and they've made some of the best instruments in this country over a long period of time.
 
Simple...get back to basics. Stop all these insane variations on the same thing in both the Gibson and Epiphone lines. Go back to just Junior, Special, Standard and Custom. No more reissues, just roll the vintage features that make sense into the standard models. Go back to basses that actually sell: Thunderbirds, EB-0/3. Offer custom colors as special orders. Drop all the "lifestyle" products. Sell off all the other brands like Steinberger, Tobias, etc.
 
I'm not sure Gibson can be saved.

Just my opinion based on my experience managing sales and operations in various industries and from being a professional musician. There are several issues with Gibson and to a lesser extent, Fender.

1. Quality control has been poor. This needs to improve.

2. Gibson has been cannibalizing it’s own sales by offering lower quality Les Paul models such as the “Studio” and the “T” and expanding the Epiphone product line. Many people are buying these models and then upgrading the pickups, bridge and tuning pegs. I understand that Gibson had to do something to compete with imported brands but they could have managed it differently.

3. Gibson has raised prices of what I call “real” Les Paul models to the $3,000 and higher range. This is a typical “knee jerk reaction” by many American companies when they get into financial trouble. Raise prices to make up for losses instead of looking at the real problem. Sometimes it’s better to lower prices for a while, sell more units, work on a reduced margin to get more cash flow and then go back to normal prices. This only works if you have a solid plan to improve quality and pay off debt. It’s obvious that management at Gibson does not understand this. It’s almost as if they feel that people will pay just because it’s a Gibson.

4. The market is flooded with used Gibsons that can be purchased for $1,200 to $1,800. As a result, more people are buying used.

5. There is more competition than ever from good quality builders who are keeping prices reasonable as compared to Gibson. You can have an instrument made by a builder for the same price as many Gibson models. Foreign competition has also increased. I’ve played some Korean, Indonesian and Czechoslovakian made guitars and basses that played and sounded as good as anything made in the U.S.

6. Fewer people are playing instruments. Many younger people are into gaming and are not learning to play an instrument. Baby boomers who have more disposable income than most millennials, are getting older and are either no longer playing, already have a guitar they like, or remember paying $500 for a new Gibson when they were just starting to learn to play and just can’t justify paying $3,000.


Fender is facing similar issues, although not as serious as Gibson, at least not yet. The issue with Fender is that they are also cannibalizing their sales of American models by offering Affinity, Squier and Mexican made versions. The market is also flooded with plenty of used Fender instruments. Why pay $600 to $800 for a new Mexican Fender Strat when you can get a used American for the $800? The same is true for basses. You can get a used American Precision or Jazz bass for the same price as a new Mexican model.


To me, there used to be nothing quite like an American Gibson or Fender, but unfortunately, quality has deteriorated, although Fender has improved in recent years and has done a better job of controlling prices. Unfortunately, most people are getting priced out of American made guitar market.

There seems to be some demand for used at around $1500, but is there enough demand for increased production of new guitars at that price point? I suppose there might be some hope that someone might buy new for $2000 rather than used for $1500, as the warranty might be worth something. Based on that perhaps a refurbishment programme might make sense - send your used purchase to Gibson for repair, upgrades, and a two year warranty.
 
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Sad to see Gibson where they are at the moment, but I'm sure they will pull through.

A novel idea, and it is novel because I have no business sense, would be to pull most models. Made a Studio and Standard Les Paul, ES-355, SG, Firebird (maybe), Thunderbird and EB/SG bass. Produce a few seasonal models, such as an LP Junior, but keep a close eye on how these sell. Pick up the phone to as many dealers and find out what is actually going out the door, versus what is sitting on a stand for 4-5 years.

For all that people complain about Gibson's pricing, their budget stuff is currently fairly nasty. The Firebird Zero looked like a badly assembled kit guitar, and I don't personally like the faded/satin stuff either. A finish that looks like it comes off on your jeans? Eh nah!

Push the outlandish stuff onto Epiphone, but again keep a closer eye on what is out there. Gibson have two destinct market areas for their guitars; orthodox blues/rock/jazz guys and metal guys. They've been letting the metal guys down, really. Modern metal guitarists are moving towards designs like Strandberg (headless, multi-scale fanned fret stuff) and 7 strings are fairly common as a whole. Gibson's stab at metal instruments seem to be either aimed at the long-dead Nu Metal genre or clumsy in general.

Finally, look at what Eastwood do! They will build a short run of extinct historic instrument designs if people back it first. Gibson could run Kickstarters for extinct designs. No point in reissuing a 1964 Thunderbird II bass in Pelham Blue perhaps, but there is a stronger argument for doing so if you have 200 backers with cash up front. Cut out the dealer and engage more directly with your customer this way. Relatively low-risk, as you get an idea of what will be popular and what wont. Dealers may never ask for an EB-2D reissue, but 250 guys off forums might want them. Maybe you only need thirty backers? Who knows!
 
I played a Les Paul std. one time in a shop and compared it against a Telecaster and a Yamaha Pacifica (special model with all Seymour Duncan electronics) ... the Gibson was the best both in terms of tone and playabity but it costed three times the Yamaha whereas the better characteristics were not able to justify in my view the huge price difference ... ended up buying the Yamaha as I didn't like the trebly single coils of that model of Telecaster while the Gibson price put that guitar decidedly out of budget for a bass player