What ya think UFO’s

[MoireBass]

Imagine how many UFO sightings the B2 Bomber is responsible for.

Quite a few I'd guess.

Summer 1988, saw a science program on PBS, titled something like "What Happened to the Flying Wing?". It talked about the flying wing type of aircraft design, how the Nazi government had built some early prototypes but then had transferred the engineers to the V2 rocket program. How the US Air Force had experimented with the design in the 1950s, killing a couple of test pilots before abandoning the idea. The show basically said they thought that using modern computer technology the stability issues of the flying wing design should be solvable, and the USAF should resurrect the idea - and they were being kind of stupid not to do so. Pretty interesting program.

And 4-5 months later, the USAF unveiled the flying wing B-2s and, oh, they'd been working on it for about 14 years..... Didn't see PBS rerun that program.

 

[ElectroVibe]

I saw an interesting special about how the abduction experiences have common parallels to human birth in a hospital setting.

 

[gln1955]

I'm gonna go against the grain of scientist opinion that seems to feel that alien life (including intelligent life with advanced civilization) must be plentiful in the universe for the simple reason that stars with planets are so ubiquitous.

The majority view can be summarized by the Drake Equation.

Drake equation - Wikipedia

My feeling is that it may be that primitive life might be abundant in the universe, but that it becomes exponentially more difficult for complex life to evolve.

I'm speculating of course, but it seems to me that the odds against humanity evolving on Earth and developing civilization is such an incredible long shot that the odds of this happening might be one chance in trillions.

Over the past 4.5 billion years, there were countless extremely unlikely events that took place, which were all necessary for intelligent life to evolve into civilization.

When the Earth first formed, another planet collided with it in a glancing blow and this resulted in the creation of the moon.

Many scientists argue that the presence of the such a large moon orbiting the Earth stabilizes all types of conditions on our planet and may be necessary for complex life to evolve in the first place.

If that giant collision hadn't happened, there might never have been any life at all on Earth. Or it may have started and then stayed as primitive archeobacteria.

This is where I'm at as well.

The fact is, right now our experience with life in the universe is an n=1. Until we encounter another example, we really have no idea how likely or unlikely the development of any life, let alone intelligent life, is. The drake equation is spitballing to an absurd degree, yet many people take it as gospel. I'm not saying extraterrestrial life doesn't exist, just that it may be much, much more rare than the common speculation would have you believe.

Then theres the problem of needing FTL space travel to have a chance of making a visit. It's easy to say other life forms, and eventually us as well, will circumvent the apparent laws of the universe. But, we haven't yet and we have no real evidence to support the possibility of FTL ever. We are stuck here in our solar system with limited alternatives to living on earth and little possibility of anyone coming to rescue us. Let's not eff it up.

 

[Bassball Fever]

The problem with finding life, as I see it, is we don't even know what to look for. We are looking for something that looks like us, has roughly the same senses as us, uses materials that we would, and in general behave like we do.

Who's to say that they can't sense things we have no idea even exists. I think of some of the deep sea creatures that have no eyes. They have no idea that light and colors exist. What is out there that we don't know about because we don't have any way to sense it?

Why do they need to have a planet to live on? All of the life we know needs sustenance that cannot be found in space, but that's only the life we know.

I believe that there is so much out there that we don't know, and may never know. It's a fun thing to meditate on.

 

[hbarcat]

The problem with finding life, as I see it, is we don't even know what to look for. We are looking for something that looks like us, has roughly the same senses as us, uses materials that we would, and in general behave like we do.

Who's to say that they can't sense things we have no idea even exists. I think of some of the deep sea creatures that have no eyes. They have no idea that light and colors exist. What is out there that we don't know about because we don't have any way to sense it?

Agree 100%.

It seems extraordinarily presumptuous of us to expect that any advanced civilization that might exist will not only be actively trying to communicate with our species when we've only just discovered the wheel a few thousand ago, but that they'll also necessarily be using radio telescopes to talk to us.

We only believe that technology is cutting edge because we just started using it a few decades ago, but it's just as preposterous that we'd expect them to use smoke signals, or just shout really, really loudly.

It seems to me that a civilization that could easily be several billion years older than ours is going to be as beyond our comprehension as a bottlenose dolphin is incomprehensible to an amoeba.

 

[fdeck]

I figure the only reason why aliens would want to communicate with us, or visit, is if we're actually at the geometric center of the universe. Like why we wanted to visit the North Pole. In fact, we're equidistant from the oldest observable stars in all directions. Food for thought.

I've speculated about how we'd be detected. We only "lit up" maybe 120 years ago at most. Today, we still radiate a certain amount of signals, but we're also "going dark" as a greater amount of our data bandwidth is being carried by fiber optic cables, or designed to radiate less and less power.

The rapid change of the chemical composition of our atmosphere would be a noticeable signal, not just today's, but our conversion to an oxygen atmosphere a while ago.

 

[bobba66]

Quite a few I'd guess.

Summer 1988, saw a science program on PBS, titled something like "What Happened to the Flying Wing?". It talked about the flying wing type of aircraft design, how the Nazi government had built some early prototypes but then had transferred the engineers to the V2 rocket program. How the US Air Force had experimented with the design in the 1950s, killing a couple of test pilots before abandoning the idea. The show basically said they thought that using modern computer technology the stability issues of the flying wing design should be solvable, and the USAF should resurrect the idea - and they were being kind of stupid not to do so. Pretty interesting program.

And 4-5 months later, the USAF unveiled the flying wing B-2s and, oh, they'd been working on it for about 14 years..... Didn't see PBS rerun that program.

"The Wing will Fly" is a pretty good documentary about Jack Northrup and his flying wings.

 

[mike o]

Great content folks!

 

[StereoPlayer]

I'm a believer...but I really want more evidence.
Also, a long time fan of Ancient Aliens.

 

[Not Insane]

This topic is getting real, lately, so I thought I'd include a photo I found on my hard drive from several years ago. I copied this straight from the NASA photo archive site. It's from a Mars orbiter and of the surface of mars and the only enhancement I did was to add contrast and flip it. The original screen grab is below this one. Sadly, I didn't save the link, so all you have is my word. Sorry about that. To be clear, this is a screen grab from a much larger high rez image.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I like that one song doctor doctor.

 

[StereoPlayer]

This topic is getting real, lately, so I thought I'd include a photo I found on my hard drive from several years ago. I copied this straight from the NASA photo archive site. It's from a Mars orbiter and of the surface of mars and the only enhancement I did was to add contrast and flip it. The original screen grab is below this one. Sadly, I didn't save the link, so all you have is my word. Sorry about that. To be clear, this is a screen grab from a much larger high rez image.
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What’s your interpretation of this picture?

 

[Nashrakh]

I think Posadas was right when it comes to Aliens, but they abstain from contact because we are an Underdeveloped Planet as alluded to in the Prime Directive.

 

[gln1955]

I think Posadas was right when it comes to Aliens, but they abstain from contact because we are an Underdeveloped Planet as alluded to in the Prime Directive.

Doesn't section III, subsection c of the Prime Directive specifically address anal probing?

 

[Winslow]

Doesn't section III, subsection c of the Prime Directive specifically address anal probing?

 

[dwm74]

The problem with finding life, as I see it, is we don't even know what to look for. We are looking for something that looks like us, has roughly the same senses as us, uses materials that we would, and in general behave like we do.

Who's to say that they can't sense things we have no idea even exists. I think of some of the deep sea creatures that have no eyes. They have no idea that light and colors exist. What is out there that we don't know about because we don't have any way to sense it?

Why do they need to have a planet to live on? All of the life we know needs sustenance that cannot be found in space, but that's only the life we know.

I believe that there is so much out there that we don't know, and may never know. It's a fun thing to meditate on.

Exactly. Not all aliens are humanoid, carbon-based, bi-pedal six-footers. Even on Star Trek (TOS), the Tholians were a form of energy that fluttered in and out of our dimension, if memory serves me correctly. Even Spock was fascinated.

A completely alien life form could be anything, perhaps even something that is not visible in the spectrum of light visible to the human eye. We earthlings really have a very narrow idea of what's out there, and an even narrower view of what could be out there.

 

[Stempelloos]

Like said in earlier posts, it's not hard to see a flying object that one can't identify.
Implying that UFO's are extraterrestrial by definition is a fallacy to me.

I think there's not much proof for 'non human intelligent life'.
Which might be possible, but not likely to come across this planet in our lifetime.

I've talked with several (former) air-force employees (Iranian, French, Brazilian, British security) about UFO's. None of them is able or willing to give a straight answer to the question on 'non human intelligent life'. Although some will acknowledge the existence of UFO's. Or at least the reports of sightings.

 

[gln1955]

Like said in earlier posts, it's not hard to see a flying object that one can't identify.
Implying that UFO's are extraterrestrial by definition is a fallacy to me.

I think there's not much proof for 'non human intelligent life'.
Which might be possible, but not likely to come across this planet in our lifetime.

I've talked with several (former) air-force employees (Iranian, French, Brazilian, British security) about UFO's. None of them is able or willing to give a straight answer to the question on 'non human intelligent life'. Although some will acknowledge the existence of UFO's. Or at least the reports of sightings.

I can almost see Wright Patterson AFB from where I'm sitting in my office. Hanger 18 on that base is where the remains of the spacecraft and aliens from Roswell are kept. Or so the legend goes.

 

[mapleglo]

I'm a believer.

 

[sleddogn]

Humans vary, as would responses to such a revelation. Anachronistic belief systems have never held much meaning for me. I'm a child of the cosmos, seeking to understand beyond such ideological constraints. Sagan spoke to a similar perspective. Much of human nature is a mystery to me, rife with irrational traditions, nationalism, superstition, etc... which a large segment of the population seems willing to defend, perhaps so doing in part because at some level they've realized they've bought into a massive house of cards built on shifting sand and are afraid to seek a deeper understanding that would destroy their false sense of comfort and certainty.

For me, knowledge of extraterrestrials would likely lead to a paradigm shift and a whole lot more curiosity. But then I've never thought humans were anything special in context of the cosmos, though perhaps somewhat special in our tiny little domain on this planet. However, the people in greatest need of a Copernican shift may be the most resistant to accepting reality, as it would topple their belief systems. But I'd like to think we could rebuild society on a much more solid rational, scientific, foundation moving forward.

I would welcome a rebuilt society based on a new paradigm shift and the lessening of standard belief systems around the world....it's time