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What's the problem with jeff berlin?

Maybe you can't avoid it. My formal instruction is on the trombone and double bass, both of which teach standard notation. Maybe I made an incorrect assumption based on what I read online and in magazines. They seem to label everybody as a shredder or wanker, or groover. In other words if you are technical you have no feel, or if you are a groover you have no technical knowledge. Whatever I am tired of debating this. These are the reasons I left Talkbass to begin with. Opinions are welcome unless they disagree with the majority.

Maybe you're simply mistaking people not agreeing with you with unwelcome. You're just as welcome to post your opinion as anyone. Expecting everyone to agree is pretty silly though.
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That's really interesting, because although I admire JB's playing (in context), I think it's about the 'whitest' bass-playing around!;)

I don't know, tunes like "Freight Train Shuffle" and "Joe Frazier Pt 2" have some scary grooves. One of Jeff's influences is Rocco Prestia and I can here it in his older tunes. Back to the OT, I like Jeff's playing and I have no problem if he says something I disagree with. I take what I think I can use and I discard the rest. No sweat, no problem and no hating here.
 
I have never ever heard that one before.

I would rather be a groover over having technical knowledge any day.Seriously great grooving can be just as technical as any other aspect of bass playing if you choose it to be.

Really, it was crammed down my throat from my first "guitar teacher." I have that in quotes because he was actually a senior in high school when I was a freshman. It seemed to be a popular topic in the guitar magazines at the time too. Probably like between 90 and 92 somewhere in there. You had grunge just starting out and a lot of the 80's bands were still around. It seemed like every other article was technique vs feel. Maybe it was just a result of the different types of music clashing then.
 
Really, it was crammed down my throat from my first "guitar teacher." I have that in quotes because he was actually a senior in high school when I was a freshman. It seemed to be a popular topic in the guitar magazines at the time too. Probably like between 90 and 92 somewhere in there. You had grunge just starting out and a lot of the 80's bands were still around. It seemed like every other article was technique vs feel. Maybe it was just a result of the different types of music clashing then.

Seriously, I never heard that and then again you clarified it by saying you got it from a guitarist(not saying all guitarist think like that).

Where is that guitar player/teacher today?
 
Really, it was crammed down my throat from my first "guitar teacher." I have that in quotes because he was actually a senior in high school when I was a freshman. It seemed to be a popular topic in the guitar magazines at the time too. Probably like between 90 and 92 somewhere in there. You had grunge just starting out and a lot of the 80's bands were still around. It seemed like every other article was technique vs feel. Maybe it was just a result of the different types of music clashing then.

You sound like someone was "going to the bathroom" on you (from your description).
What's so horrible about learning the finer points of your trade?
 
Seriously, I never heard that and then again you clarified it by saying you got it from a guitarist(not saying all guitarist think like that).

Where is that guitar player/teacher today?

I have no idea where he is now. I know he tried to join the navy about a year after I did, he was asking me all kinds of questions. I got a phone call that said he failed the drug test in boot camp and never heard from him again. He was an exceptional talent in high school. It's kind of a shame. What is funny is he always taught me not to player the songs of other people, just learn scales and write my own. Trying to jam with people in the navy they would of course say "hey man do you know this song?". No but look at this XX scale. I'm sure that has shaped my opinion as well.
 
Can't believe there is a 15 page thread on Jeff Berlin?

What's the problem with Jeff Berlin? 15 pages of thread would tend to indicate quite a lot. From interviews and articles I've read with him he does seem super arrogant, but he isn't the first talented bass player to be that, Jaco was too. Personally I can't relate to that kind of arrogance and it puts me off listening to people who are. My loss? I'm OK with it, plenty of other good fish in the sea (fish=bass geddit? Suit yourself). His comments about practicing with a drum machine instead of a metronome makes sense and I do prefer it, just don't ram down people's throats, each to their own. Tab Vs Notation, yeah being able to read notation is certainly better but not the be and end all, plenty of awesome players who can't read, Pino for instance; and plenty who can, i.e. Roscoe Beck, Stanley, etc. Again JB is totally bull headed about this subject which is why he causes 15 pages or so of vitriol. To paraphrase Frank Zappa, "Shut up and play your bass".
 
I always understood Jeff's comments about learning to read notation to be referring to players that want to have the greater amount of gigs available to them. If a player wants to do things like sessions and orchestra gigs reading is a must; no tab to found on those gigs. Could one expect to get more gigs learning only notation or only tab? Since I read I am biased and I acknowledge that most gigs don't require either reading notation or tab.
 
About Jaco's arrogance and ego, I've never met or read about any musicians that have played with and knew Jaco that didn't absolutely love the guy. Maybe it's the same with Berlin.