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what's wrong with micing?

#61
^^^^^

I totally agree except that there are some circumstances with some type of music where you want/need that fundamental and then , it will be on your PA's shoulder to deliver it or not.I haven't seen a lot of rooms where you could hear a clean/clear low (30-40Hz), but when you have it and it fits in the style of the music been played , it sure is a plus.

Like there is not much "bass amps" out there wich will give you that low end.
(Short throw on top of that)
 
#62
fokof said:
^^^^^

I totally agree except that there are some circumstances with some type of music where you want/need that fundamental and then , it will be on your PA's shoulder to deliver it or not.I haven't seen a lot of rooms where you could hear a clean/clear low (30-40Hz), but when you have it and it fits in the style of the music been played , it sure is a plus.

Like there is not much "bass amps" out there wich will give you that low end.
(Short throw on top of that)
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Absolutely, no argument. In that situation a DI is usually the best way to get that kind of signal to the mixing desk.
 
#64
Munjibunga said:
I don't remember having said it before - I just didn't read the whole thread as usual. It sounds like something I'd say, possibly leading you to your attribution. Thanks, though.
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I'm certain you said it, but it was a good while ago. I had a really good chuckle at it, which is why I remember.

I can't remember to shut the lawn sprinkler off or to go to medical appointments but I can remember something someone on the internet said 3 or 4 years ago. I'm not sure that reflects very well on my mental state, actually.
 
#65
Bassbubble11 said:
BTW if you think you are getting "your" sound once the soundman gets your signal whether you are mic'd or DI'd, you are mistaken.
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Actually, you are mistaken, bro. The only times I didn't get the sound I wanted was when the soundman completely ignored anything I had to say. In those shows, the overall sound sucked, too. But when a competent soundman actually listens to your rig and tries to make it coincide with what comes out of the house, it is a piece of cake to make that happen, and I've had it happen many times over.
 
#66
t77mackie said:
Why is it that soundmen are scared to use your amp's DI but insist you plug into a beat up, dented, no paint left, duct taped, POS D-box instead?

Anywho, I prefer going direct. Post preamp if at all possible. If the D-box looks the way it does imagine how the mic is!
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Sometimes amp DI's can cause ground loop hums. If hum won't stop using ground lift on amp or it has no grd lift, going to a DI box is next. If that's still a prob I plug the XLR into a mic.

Never know what you'll get from venue to venue with wiring/ground issues.

Some amp DI's are mic level, some line level, some pre EQ, some post EQ, some switchable pre/post. If there is no clip indicator on the pre amp level, there is potential to have it set too high therefore sending distortion to the mixer.

Your eq settings might sound fine on stage with your bass cab(s) but too much for the folded horn subs in the venue that reproduce bass more efficiently and don't need the eq boost you're using on your amp.

Also the sound guy just gets a good mix dialed in with your amp DI. Then you tweak your EQ or adjust your preamp level. Then the sound guy is constantly adjusting channel input level every time you tweak it.

Sound guy has to tweak trims constantly when guitars, keys, bass, change patches or step on stomp boxes. Minimizing that means more focus on mixing, eq'ing instead of chasing overload lights.

Keeping it simple is human nature.
 
#67
Big_Daws said:
primarily the DI out on the back of an amp goes out to the PA extremely hot. in which distorts at the board even when they pad the signal. and because there is no pad control on most bass amps. the best way to fix this is the put a DI box in line...

as long at the DI isnt a crappy behringer DI then if its beat up and dented, it still doesn't the job just as effectively as when it was new...just looks crappy! :)
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Well, OK then. See that - you learn something new every day! :hyper: Thanx to uhdinator too.

So when amp shopping should I look for a knob or something? Or just buy my own D-Box and take care of it? Or just leave the soundguy up to his own devices and deal with it?

Quite honestly I'm probably a soundguy's dream. I get my 'sound' from my volume and tone knobs and the only thing between my bass and my amp is a cable. When the soundguy is setting his stuff up I'm at the bar getting all the not free booze I'm gonna need and when he goes back to the board I go to the stage. He says, "Bass" - I go G - D - A - Eeeeee - he goes, "Thanks, snare drum..." and that's about it.
 
#69
t77mackie said:
Well, OK then. See that - you learn something new every day! :hyper: Thanx to uhdinator too.

So when amp shopping should I look for a knob or something? Or just buy my own D-Box and take care of it? Or just leave the soundguy up to his own devices and deal with it?

Quite honestly I'm probably a soundguy's dream. I get my 'sound' from my volume and tone knobs and the only thing between my bass and my amp is a cable. When the soundguy is setting his stuff up I'm at the bar getting all the not free booze I'm gonna need and when he goes back to the board I go to the stage. He says, "Bass" - I go G - D - A - Eeeeee - he goes, "Thanks, snare drum..." and that's about it.
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if it were me and its what i did, i purchased a sansamp bass driver programmable. it has XLR out with a pad and ground lift, i can program 3 tones, it has 1/4" out for the amp and 1/4" in for the bass. i absolutely love this unit. it gives you 2 options. leave the EQ on the amp flat and use the sansamp to create your sound and leave the amp to its "more natural" which will mean that pre/post EQ wont matter. and also means that you have control of 3 tones at the push of a button! :bassist:
 
#70
JimmyM said:
Actually, you are mistaken, bro. The only times I didn't get the sound I wanted was when the soundman completely ignored anything I had to say. In those shows, the overall sound sucked, too. But when a competent soundman actually listens to your rig and tries to make it coincide with what comes out of the house, it is a piece of cake to make that happen, and I've had it happen many times over.
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OK...... If you say so. :rollno:
 
#74
:rollno: Funny how this thread resembles the other 500,000 threads complaining about soundguys, DI's, mics, blah blah blah blah....

Somewhere around the second paragraph of the OP this thread should have been closed...
 
#76
Big_Daws said:
as a bass player that is all for tone and tonal control i much prefer to have my signal to go through a DI box. however the sans amp bass driver i have, actually has a balanced XLR out on it to send to a PA and a 1/4 inch to the amp.

as an artist (and im sure most would agree) i think it is imperative that the bass sounds i create and record in the studio is exactly what is heard through the PA, or at least assure that it is what is being fed to the PA.

what i have found over many years is that regardless of which venue i play in, im constantly changing my tone on my amp to get the sound that i have looked to create. so in saying that that would mean that no gig i do my sound is technically the same (right?). so then is saying that, if i were to mic the amp what im hearing and what the PA replicates by sticking a mic in front, is 2 completely different sounds. even when using the ludicrously expensive mics.

so then wouldn't saying that you have no tonal control be incorrect? and even in saying that, you really wouldn't have much tonal control anyway because the sound technician always has final control of what is heard...

something to think about............

also wouldn't you want to have the natural sound of your bass going to the PA system anyway? or have the sound tech take the DI output from your amp (in which almost every amp has now days)
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I hear ya. I'm a player that uses several effects, several different distortions fuzzes octaves delay etc, at the end of my pedalchain is a Sansamp BDDI, ready for any sound guy to go out of. I would ideally like to be mic'd ASWELL, because the sound of certain stompboxes sounds considerably different through my amp/cab. Would it be better to go out of my amp head to a sound desk than the BDDI?? I like to think that my setup gives sound dudes plenty of options, having my own mic and 2 seperate XLR outs. I would think that this would help in avoiding confrontation with the guy. AMIRIGHT? Opinions plz.
 

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