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when someone asks you to try playing with a pick....

The thing that seems weird to me about the OP's situation is that I always thought you are hiring the person, not the technique. It's fine and dandy to suggest a way to play something, but there'd have to be a lot of cash involved for me to swallow my best judgement about how something should be played.

Hmm. I never thought of it that way. I mean, as someone who's worked on recording sessions and has seen the engineer suggest many different techniques for musicians (in order to get "that" sound), I feel like it never hurts to make suggestions if you have a very specific idea in mind for a certain sound or a specific song. But like I said in my original post, when it comes to changing the style or approach for an entire project, I think those sorts of suggestions tend to read a little differently.

Not to mention, I've been listening again to the recorded bass lines he gave me to work with and while I can hear a pick being useful and sounding "right" for a couple of them, all I really hear is just his technique which- I hate to say it- sounds kinda sloppy and noisy...something that I can't necessarily- and shouldn't have to- match. To me, honestly? It sounds like a guitarist playing guitar parts on a bass. Does it work? Sure, to a degree...I mean, look at Peter Hook! But that's just how I hear it.

So, pick or not, my interpretation of that style is going to be different than the guitarist's...because even though I started out playing guitar before picking up a bass, I've approached bass from a very different mentality, as something totally new and different from guitar. Also, I don't really identify as closely with the bassists whose styles he's referencing: Mike Dirnt, Matt Sharp (I think that's him? the bassist from Weezer), that sort of punk school of thought where it tends to sound a little noisier. I've just never used their styles as reference points for my own, until now.

So whether or not I use a pick, if he's asking me to cop his style completely, it will be a bit of a departure from what I'm used to. Which is fine, but like I said, I'm still figuring out how to do that while still preserving my own "feel" for these bass parts. I guess for now I'm trying to follow the rules and play it his way, before breaking them and putting more of my own spin on it.
 
Hmm. I never thought of it that way. I mean, as someone who's worked on recording sessions and has seen the engineer suggest many different techniques for musicians (in order to get "that" sound), I feel like it never hurts to make suggestions if you have a very specific idea in mind for a certain sound or a specific song. But like I said in my original post, when it comes to changing the style or approach for an entire project, I think those sorts of suggestions tend to read a little differently.

Not to mention, I've been listening again to the recorded bass lines he gave me to work with and while I can hear a pick being useful and sounding "right" for a couple of them, all I really hear is just his technique which- I hate to say it- sounds kinda sloppy and noisy...something that I can't necessarily- and shouldn't have to- match. To me, honestly? It sounds like a guitarist playing guitar parts on a bass. Does it work? Sure, to a degree...I mean, look at Peter Hook! But that's just how I hear it.

So, pick or not, my interpretation of that style is going to be different than the guitarist's...because even though I started out playing guitar before picking up a bass, I've approached bass from a very different mentality, as something totally new and different from guitar. Also, I don't really identify as closely with the bassists whose styles he's referencing: Mike Dirnt, Matt Sharp (I think that's him? the bassist from Weezer), that sort of punk school of thought where it tends to sound a little noisier. I've just never used their styles as reference points for my own, until now.

So whether or not I use a pick, if he's asking me to cop his style completely, it will be a bit of a departure from what I'm used to. Which is fine, but like I said, I'm still figuring out how to do that while still preserving my own "feel" for these bass parts. I guess for now I'm trying to follow the rules and play it his way, before breaking them and putting more of my own spin on it.

I guess you should just ask him instead of speculating about it.

If you're not comfortable with the situation, just let him know that his "vision" is not something you can work with and move on.
 
I read about the first 3 pages and all I have to say is that when I started playing the bass pop-punk was the big genre at the time, and I learned to play bass with a pick. Years later I was terrible with my fingers, and then I joined a hardcore band and they really wanted me to use my fingers. And I am very glad I listened to them because I can hardly play with a pick at all. I can play fast riffs with a pick better still (similar to the kind of stuff we used to play) but more groovy slow songs. It's almost as if I can feel the timing of the song much better in my fingers for some reason.

That band died that when all of my band members graduated college and got real jobs. Now I am playing with a childhood friend of mine, who I hooked up with to play some folky singer/songwritery stuff now and those chops obtained through years of playing fast metal riffs with my fingers has evolved to fit with this guy very well. I never use a pick anymore.

The moral of this seemingly pointless story is to give it a chance it might come in handy one day. The bass player from Fall Out Boy or whatever people are listening to these days might fall over and you might be called to take his place and a pick really works for that genre of music.
 
depends on the band, for me.

I played in an band with some really good players, similar to Hum or Failure. The band had like zero potential for stardom but it was terrific fun. However they gradually started to insist I play the bass parts they would write for me. Even the drummer was writing bass parts and tho he's a fantastic drummer, he couldn't play bass very well. I decided if I wasn't allowed to be creative, I wasn't interested. the very next band i joined...
Had a dogmatic bandleader who insisted on playing the bass lines as he wrote them. Some songs were with fingers and some with a pick, which I had never used with the bass. No money involved.

However, he wrote good bass lines, the songs were excellent, he had loads of touring experience, lots of music industry contacts. He had already put out the CD with himself playing everything but the drums and wanted the live band to sound like the CD. I was totally fine with that.
 
depends on the band, for me.

I played in an band with some really good players, similar to Hum or Failure. The band had like zero potential for stardom but it was terrific fun. However they gradually started to insist I play the bass parts they would write for me. Even the drummer was writing bass parts and tho he's a fantastic drummer, he couldn't play bass very well. I decided if I wasn't allowed to be creative, I wasn't interested. the very next band i joined...
Had a dogmatic bandleader who insisted on playing the bass lines as he wrote them. Some songs were with fingers and some with a pick, which I had never used with the bass. No money involved.

However, he wrote good bass lines, the songs were excellent, he had loads of touring experience, lots of music industry contacts. He had already put out the CD with himself playing everything but the drums and wanted the live band to sound like the CD. I was totally fine with that.

Well, that's the other thing I question here...is if I'm okay with playing somebody else's parts (and not getting paid for it). I did it as a keyboardist and I ended up feeling very stifled creatively.

I don't know. I just got dumped from the other project I was hoping to work with due to "not clicking musically"...and right now I am so frustrated with everybody, that I don't think I'm in a good state of mind to make any judgements about this situation. Lately it has been so impossible in my life to find any time at all to devote to playing bass, that to have complications with band members on top of it, is almost too much for me.

I do have a hunch- and I hope I'm wrong- that the guitarist might turn out to be the type who tries to show me how to play my instrument...and if that's the case, I'll just SAY to him: "Hey, I appreciate advice and support. But you brought me into this project because of MY abilities, right?" In other words, if they just brought me on board to "train" me, I don't know if I want to be a part of this. I've done unpaid internships. I've been in way too many situations where I'm the "rookie" and I don't feel like being cast that way here. Sure, I'm still relatively new to bass, but there is a way to acknowledge that without completely undermining my skills, you know?

But then again, right now, I'm not in a good mood at all after what happened with this other band today... and I feel very adrift with my goals as a bassist. So maybe I should just stop thinking about this for now and give it time.
 
Hey Hernio! You are a skater right? It hurts pretty hard when you slam concrete right? Yet you keep skating because you love it. If the high you get from it is not worth the pain then you wouldn't keep skating. I know band business can slam you in a different emotional way than a skateboard does physically but either take a lot of determination to stay on board for all the thrills and spills along the ride.
 
What Bert said.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and keep going.

I lost track of the times somebody wanted to show me how to play an A chord at open stages.
"Really?, wow dude, lemme shake your hand. Been doing this for over 40 years, and somehow never learned to play an A...":p

a Mac IT gal, eh? Cool, I use nothing but Macs.
I'll let ya know when my old G5s get flaky.:D
 
Haha! Right on. Well I'm leaving this forum. It's just caused too much angst for me. I think I've somehow managed to paint a picture of myself as being like this whiny bitch or something, and I hate that...and now I just feel like everyone here thinks I'm difficult...when the fact is I've just had really terrible luck with bands and don't know how I'm supposed to deal with it. So I'm just gonna leave because I don't feel good about what I've posted here, nor how some have responded to it. But thanks for the advice.
 
Haha! Right on. Well I'm leaving this forum. It's just caused too much angst for me. I think I've somehow managed to paint a picture of myself as being like this whiny bitch or something, and I hate that...and now I just feel like everyone here thinks I'm difficult...when the fact is I've just had really terrible luck with bands and don't know how I'm supposed to deal with it. So I'm just gonna leave because I don't feel good about what I've posted here, nor how some have responded to it. But thanks for the advice.

Unfortunately the advice you least want to hear is often the most valuable.
 
I think I've somehow managed to paint a picture of myself as being like this whiny bitch or something, and I hate that...

You sounded awesome to me, relative to the people you've been stuck working with. :)

Just remember that there are all types of people, some less desirable than others, everywhere. Especially on the internet, although this site tends to be better than most. Just gotta learn which ones to ignore...
 
I read about the first 3 pages.....
The moral of this seemingly pointless story is to give it a chance it might come in handy one day. The bass player from Fall Out Boy or whatever people are listening to these days might fall over and you might be called to take his place and a pick really works for that genre of music.

This, 100% this (also, seriously, how'd you even make it through 3 pages.)

If you don't play with a pick, and someone asks you to, why does it hurt to try. Yeah it's somewhat lame to have to compromise, but honestly if you want to play music as your job you should probably accept now that compromise will happen.

It might be best to take this from a standpoint of "if I want to make music for a living, then I need to accept that I will need to be accommodating to the folks that hire me, and open to their suggestions." Essentially you're avoiding having to compromise your dream of making music for a living, by compromising on the point of "do I play with a pick".

I can tell you from experience, compromising your playing slightly, in order to keep a gig that will prevent you from having to get a day job, is a better call than sticking to your guns, losing the gig, and being forced to take a "normal" job to survive.

In the world of office jobs you'll be, metaphorically speaking, constantly told to "play with a pick", and will have no options to argue. Even in cases when things are 100% subjective.

Better to compromise and keep a good gig than be a dick due to principal and lose it.
 
I feel fairly fortunate. I enjoy fingers AND pick. I'm really sort of weird in that regard.

I have played entire shows with a pick and not even realized it until the show was nearly over and the same without a pick. It doesn't really make a great deal of difference to me.

My bandmates DO NOT tell me how to approach a song. It's entirely up to me - as it is for the 2 guitarists, the keyboards dude and the drummer. We've all been playing long enough to understand what we're doing.
 
Haha! Right on. Well I'm leaving this forum. It's just caused too much angst for me. I think I've somehow managed to paint a picture of myself as being like this whiny bitch or something, and I hate that...and now I just feel like everyone here thinks I'm difficult...when the fact is I've just had really terrible luck with bands and don't know how I'm supposed to deal with it. So I'm just gonna leave because I don't feel good about what I've posted here, nor how some have responded to it. But thanks for the advice.

Unfortunately, I know I'm one of those posters that's made you come to this.

Believe me, I do not take you to be a whiny person. If you read my posts from my first few years on the site you'd see they're not too different than yours. I was a young(er) person who was frustrated with crappy situations and who didn't know why bands weren't working the way they should.

I posted my stories on Talkbass and got much more critical responses than what you've gotten. I thought some of these guys were rude, inconsiderate, and lacking understanding of my situations. Truth be told, they all knew my situations because they are ones we all find ourselves in; I was just too ignorant and proud to admit I didn't know as much as I thought I did, and I justified it by often putting the blame on others.

I urge you to reconsider leaving the site. There's a wealth of knowledge here that you simply won't find elsewhere, and a lot of it has been attempted to be given to you. Before you take offense to what people say, step back, and look at things objectively from a third person view. Heck, even if from that POV you still disagree with what's said just take a chance and try it. You might be surprised with the change in the results you've been having.
 
Haha! Right on. Well I'm leaving this forum. It's just caused too much angst for me. I think I've somehow managed to paint a picture of myself as being like this whiny bitch or something, and I hate that...and now I just feel like everyone here thinks I'm difficult...when the fact is I've just had really terrible luck with bands and don't know how I'm supposed to deal with it. So I'm just gonna leave because I don't feel good about what I've posted here, nor how some have responded to it. But thanks for the advice.

When it comes to the internet, everything is forgotten once the next whiny little bitch rolls in. :p

Annnnnnd, that was just a joke. The whiny bitch part. Im sure youre cool.

Ive gotten many response Ive not agreed with, some right, some wrong. A lot of people here are really into their own opinions, and form them based on little to no info about others, thats just the nature of the internet and anonyminity.

If you read my posts from my first few years on the site you'd see they're not too different than yours.

Tell me about it :D

And by that, I mean I was very much the same way.

I posted my stories on Talkbass and got much more critical responses than what you've gotten. I thought some of these guys were rude, inconsiderate, and lacking understanding of my situations. Truth be told, they all knew my situations because they are ones we all find ourselves in; I was just too ignorant and proud to admit I didn't know as much as I thought I did, and I justified it by often putting the blame on others.

Yup. And even then, some people are still just dicks.
 

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