who DOESN'T use velcro?

[9mmMike]

I use 3M Scotch Dual Lock Fasteners.

 

[Grumry]

I'm still trying to figure out why some people don't ship pedals to me in a box so I can more easily transport them to and from my gig.

Who needs velcro when you have a box?

 

[gregmon79]

IMO, Velcro is expensive and I don't blame pedal companies for not providing it. Although it is a SUPER added bonus when they do, like Hardwire does. I also think it would be a waste for the company as not everyone uses Velcro. It leaves it open for the buyer to do what they will. It would be nice, but I totally understand why most don't do it.

 

[cheechi]

It's nice to see all the alternatives presented here. If I had started out with dual lock I would do that for sure. But my suggestion is that pedal manufacturers could take the money they waste with big fat rubber feet and either ship the pedal with a bare bottom or include velcro, and likely come out ahead with either choice. Some of my nicest pedals including B7K, Blower box, Rat Tail, got to me (some were used) with nothing at all on the bottom.

 

[Fuzzbass]

I don't use velcro because I don't use a pedal board. But I'm weird

I'm weird too. I use only 2-3 pedals per gig (light OD, heavy OD, sometimes compression), and they vary from gig to gig, so I just put 'em on the floor in front of my amp. Zero interest in a pedalboard or velcro. Rubber feet for me (which reminds me, need to get some feet for my Blower Boxes).

And what about the folks that use the 3M stuff instead of velcro?

If I were to use a velcro-like substance, it would be Godlyke Power Grip (props to @andrew for the tip)

 

[Fuzzbass]

If I were ever to use a pedalboard, it would be a clamp solution such as this one in development:
New principle for mounting pedals on pedal boards, your opinion please?


Or this one, already available:
New principle for mounting pedals on pedal boards, your opinion please?

Don't wanna argue with the pedalboard nazis who insist that velcro is the best solution ever and everyone should use it. Just saying it ain't for me.

 

[cheechi]

Godlyke Power Grip

That's 3M Dual Lock

 

[Fuzzbass]

That's 3M Dual Lock

What I posted was Godlyke Power Grip (link below). It does look nearly identical to Dual Lock.

https://smile.amazon.com/Power-Grip...ive-Mounting/dp/B004ZKIHVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8

 

[Josh Kneisel]

Drives me nuts that they all put those annoying rubber feet that make it harder to stick Velcro in the necessary places on the pedal

 

[Jack Bruce]

Don't forget the comedy uses of Velcro®



At the 4:00 mark will give you the idea...

 

[stringthrough]

Valcro, the 5th force of nature, after strong, weak, electromagnetic and gravity.

 

[Slough Feg Bass]

meh, I use zipties to fasten to my homemade pedalboard.
Velcro didn't work for on tour.
That stuff has to be pretty much bolted to the pedalboard to last several weeks on the road. Unless you have a fancy road case and all, then it might work, depending on how much your band moves around on stage...

 

[cheechi]

What I posted was Godlyke Power Grip (link below). It does look nearly identical to Dual Lock.

nearly. They stick to each other and in a blind taste test 5 out of 5 pedals can't tell the difference. I've seen them side by side in person they're the same.

 

[J Posega]

I'm wondering how many guys who are using Velcro or similar products and having it fail just suck at using it.

As in, you need to make sure there is plenty of contact... a large pedal with an inch wide strip of Velcro making contact with another inch wide strip running perpendicular isn't gonna keep anything secure. Maybe Dual Lock would.

Or maybe they aren't being patient when applying it... they stick it to the pedal and immediately go about putting things on their board, then taking them off, not giving the adhesive an ample amount of time to set.

Even the Velcro that came with my Pedaltrain 2... I've had the same soft-side stuff on the board with many changes to what gets stuck on top for over a year now, and it is showing no signs of peeling off.

The only velcro troubles I've had are when trying to use different varieties together. Dual Lock and Velcro... no stick. Velcro and Industrial-Strength... not as good as matching the types. And the velcro stuck to the bottom of my Bass Whammy... the adhesive is so strong, and the bond between the pedal velcro and board velcro is so tough that the paint on the bottom of the Whammy has begun to peel off.

I use a couple zip ties for 1590a pedals that don't get enough contact to the rails, or that are uneven when stuck parallel on one rail, and to stabilize my loop-switcher.

 

[MCS4]

I wasn't meaning to dispute this. Just a question to people who were already in the effects forum who were already going to ask & answer questions about effects presumably in a rack or pedal form, not meaning to make anything more significant than it already was.

I can tell you it's rare that I go see a band whether local or big headliners where everyone does't have a pedalboard. I see some guys have one for their vocal effects other for their instrument, or guys who double on keys & tele (it's always a tele for some reason) have two.
Some singers have a cajon and one other pedal and don't have them on a board but it's rare I see a setup like that. Maybe we just don't go see/perform the same type of shows. So I don't know.

I wasn't trying to suggest anything negative about you or your post. My point was that manufacturers probably do not pre-install velcro because a large percentage of users (probably most of them) don't use velcro.

I have two pedal boards and slather velcro over everything, and I'd be very happy if manufacturers made pedals come stock with no rubber feet and a strip of velcro included in the box. However, I doubt that would make financial since for the manufacturers.

Also, I see both local bands and headliners all the time who do not use pedal boards. I think a lot of this depends on genre.

 

[Bassique]

I used too much dual lock for one of my pedals, then I wanted to sell the pedal, but the damn thing wouldnt get off, so I ended up selling my whole pedal board.

 

[Bob_Ross]

Wire ties for me.

I use velcro plus wire ties. Because I'm anal.

 

[cheechi]

@MCS4 I agree they should not pre install the velcro, or anything that needs adhestive. So from that starting point, if they are to include something in the box for you to install, would you rather a strip of (both sides) velcro or a set of rubber feet/big fat rubber bottom?

I think we are both on the same page though it would be best if I got a new pedal with a bare bottom and decided what to do from there.

 

[gary mitchell]

I use a Behringer PB600 pedal board. I don't need velcro, I don't care for velcro but it has its place.

 

[MCS4]

@MCS4 I agree they should not pre install the velcro, or anything that needs adhestive. So from that starting point, if they are to include something in the box for you to install, would you rather a strip of (both sides) velcro or a set of rubber feet/big fat rubber bottom?

I think we are both on the same page though it would be best if I got a new pedal with a bare bottom and decided what to do from there.

Agreed that I would personally prefer that the pedal be shipped with a bare bottom, but given that (1) many users will want to use the feet and (2) it is usually easy to remove the feet, I don't much care if the manfacturer decides that it is better overall to just go ahead and ship them with feet. Perhaps in an ideal world the feet would be included in the box but not installed (which I have seen before), if that does not add to the cost too much. I do agree that we should do away entirely with rubber bottoms that can't be easily removed, such as in the old Marshall line that included the Jackhammer, Echohead, etc., as those can be a real pain for pedalboard users.