Your butt and your feet! Boogie down!A better question might be, "Who here can discern a low F sharp?".
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Who here plays low F#?
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Hi.
I do.
Have done so for about 5 years.
Harley Benton HBB6000 through Fame BVH300 and a pair of EV TL505's.
The .175 Warwick Dark Lord (harmonics
) comes through just fine, the "built in" HPF of a tube amp OT helps a lot in that.
I play classic rock/blues/country and use the lows for a spice mostly.
Regards
Sam
I do.
Have done so for about 5 years.
Harley Benton HBB6000 through Fame BVH300 and a pair of EV TL505's.
The .175 Warwick Dark Lord (harmonics
) comes through just fine, the "built in" HPF of a tube amp OT helps a lot in that.I play classic rock/blues/country and use the lows for a spice mostly.
Regards
Sam
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I thought you must have a really good laptop Jimmy, mine sound like crap.
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I jammed with a new band last night drop C with a low G. I hit the low G and the vibration filled the room and rattled our heads. I don't know if it was the small room, but it was nice and loud. The speakers didn't really fart out. The freq response on my cabs aren't very low, 70hz. I've seen plenty of cabs that go down to 40ish hz and Ashdown NEO 210 claims 25hz. How much of a difference does it make?
I had a Rotosound 165 and the rest were Dean Markleys, but switched back to a 127 B DM and tuned down. I think having all of the strings the same brand helped with the volume change. I've never like Rotosounds, always sounded dead to me. For now I'm happy, but my GAS is getting me for some lighter cabs. There's a couple of used ACME 210s at my local GC I'm going to check out this weekend.
I don't know if it was the small room, but it was nice and loud. The speakers didn't really fart out. The freq response on my cabs aren't very low, 70hz. I've seen plenty of cabs that go down to 40ish hz and Ashdown NEO 210 claims 25hz. How much of a difference does it make?I had a Rotosound 165 and the rest were Dean Markleys, but switched back to a 127 B DM and tuned down. I think having all of the strings the same brand helped with the volume change. I've never like Rotosounds, always sounded dead to me. For now I'm happy, but my GAS is getting me for some lighter cabs. There's a couple of used ACME 210s at my local GC I'm going to check out this weekend.
i play a low A but its on a four string so i cant go much lower unless i move up to a 5'er
Why not?
@Ron Now plays in F# with a four string.
i really prefer light gauge strings and if i go below A it tends to be hard to tune and play. @Ron Now id seriously LOVE some sound samples and to get your rig breakdown on how you are pulling it off!
im currently using:
american fener p-bass/jaguar bass
fender bassman 100t
ampeg 410 hlf
oodles and oodles of pedals
This argument is the same as the low B one -- only taken a fourth lower.
Response: there's a lot more to a musical note than its fundamental.Yes, the low F# fundamental is roughly 23 Hz, which of course is difficult to reproduce or hear. However the 2nd and 3rd harmonics are 46 and 69Hz respectively, which are reproducible by decent preamps, amps, and speakers. Analog example: I play BEADG five string through a sealed 6x10 cab that starts rolling off above 40Hz. However even when I detune a half-step with my rock band, I can hear the lowest notes just fine: the fundamental frequencies are attenuated, but the 2nd and 3rd harmonics remain strong. Likewise, I believe a low F# note should sound plenty good enough through an Acme or other modern cab spec'd down to 30Hz.
That said: if you want to hear (or feel) that 23Hz fundamental, then yeah, you're going to have to jump through some hoops to get it.
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This argument is the same as the low B one -- only taken a fourth lower.
Yes, the low F# fundamental is roughly 23 Hz, which of course is difficult to reproduce or hear. However the 2nd and 3rd harmonics are 46 and 69Hz respectively, which are reproducible by decent preamps, amps, and speakers. Analog example: I play BEADG five string through a sealed 6x10 cab that starts rolling off above 40Hz. However even when I detune a half-step with my rock band, I can hear the lowest notes just fine: the fundamental frequencies are attenuated, but the 2nd and 3rd harmonics remain strong. Likewise, I believe a low F# note should sound plenty good enough through an Acme or other modern cab spec'd down to 30Hz.
That said: if you want to hear (or feel) that 23Hz fundamental, then yeah, you're going to have to jump through some hoops to get it.
Thanks, not too concerned about reproducing the fundamental, I don't want to deal with trying to find and pay for a cab that can handle that. Just wondering how much better it would sound going through a cab that goes to 40hz. I think my low G sounded pretty good last night considering the my cabs are rated at 70hz. So I guess I'm really just getting the 3rd harmonic being reproduced well?
When putting a speaker in a "sealed" air volume (read: a room), the walls of the room will help building an acoustic load/mirror that extends and increases bass response. The actual frequencies and level of "room gain" is determined by room dimensions and the level of acoustic absorption of the surfaces. In fact, sealed cab will roll off with a slope around 12 dB/octave, which is the inverse slope of the "room gain" factor. This phemonenon makes it possible to set up a rig that is virtually flat down to well below 10Hz, which is done in some home theatres and is obvious to anyone familiar with the car audio scene.
Why this? Because already sealed cabs (with their high roll off point) can go VERY deep in a small rehearsal space, as long as their is not too much leakage or bass absorbents.
T-Bird said:
"The .175 Warwick Dark Lord (harmonics) comes through just fine, the "built in" LPF of a tube amp OT helps a lot in that."
A typo there, I guess? You mean HPF, right? Anyway, I'd like to hear that rig...
Why this? Because already sealed cabs (with their high roll off point) can go VERY deep in a small rehearsal space, as long as their is not too much leakage or bass absorbents.
T-Bird said:
"The .175 Warwick Dark Lord (harmonics
) comes through just fine, the "built in" LPF of a tube amp OT helps a lot in that."A typo there, I guess? You mean HPF, right? Anyway, I'd like to hear that rig...
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If I were going to go that low I would add a professional grade subwoofer (and HPF) to my rig and cross it over. It's simpler to add the extra frequency range than build it all into one box.
