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Why are "covers" looked down on?

Ill jut throw this out there. I recently went to a band showcase/ battle. It had 11 bands playing heavier rock/ metal/ hardcore. The crowd was large but was truthfully the 11 bands, their posse's and hardcore fans. Maybe 200 people total. This was the epitome of original band heaven. Every band was kicking ass.... awesome. The crowd loved it. There was a large pit, loud applause after every song for every band.... Everything was perfect.
The largest crowd response of the night was when a band who was just firing on all cylinders, threw " reign in blood" in as the last song of their set. The place blew up.


Take what you want from that story.
 
It's probably splitting hairs, but the difference between a "standard" and a "cover" is that a "standard" is the basis for a personal interpretation. A "cover" is expected to be close to the original version (or at least, the "popular" version). Sometimes the lines get blurred if a version of a "standard" is seen as a definitive version. Then future "covers" are similar to that definitive version (or at least until a new 'definitive' version replaces the older one).

I don't see covers that way at all. For me, it's a futile endeavor to try to do the cover spot on like the original. You're never going to be better at doing it that way than the ones who did it that way to start with. The whole point of a cover, for me, is to do another song with one's own voice.
 
Snob: "I am the premier cellist in the ___________ Symphony orchestra..."

Me: "Oh, so you're in a cover band!...."

To be fair though, they don't let in any chump. Yes youre covering tunes, but the number of hours that need to be put in before a symphony orchestra will let you in is ridiculous. Like pianists in orchestras, you'd hear your average clasically trained pianist play some beethoven and you think wow they nailed that perfect. Then you'd bring in a major orchastra conductor, well this and that note were played just a tiny wee little bit too loud, the timing of this note was off by 1/100th of a second, etc etc...

It's all about perfect technique. Not my cup of tea, and i hate classical music snobs, but it takes serious skills.
 
Looked down on? On TB it's the opposite, you mainly see people smack-talking originals with 'yo momma's basement' banter. So much for maturity.


I would hazard that this is probably because at some point some people playing originals have ridiculed cover bands. Then it made these people defensive. Certainly when i read a post like Ric5 i think, ok, this guy has a chip on his shoulder, probably because either he's been in a lot of ****** originals band that went nowhere (which is normal, you have to be ready for this, you can't play originals and excpect success, work towards it sure but don't really let it make a difference either way) and resented the time invested OR he's been looked down on by people in originals bands.


Full discclosure, i am in a basement but it's not my mama's. It just so happen my apartment is a semi-basement.
 
Snob: "I am the premier cellist in the ___________ Symphony orchestra..."

Me: "Oh, so you're in a cover band!...."

But the music take more dedication and talent to get it right ... most of the time playing rock music are high on drugs and just "rock out" even if it is sloppy ... You won't hear an orchestra sloppy.


Making a cover band can start making money as a cover band in a matter of a few months ... being first cellist is a life long dedication to master the instrument and the challege a lot of composer made because they didn't go for what is the easiest thing to do with the instrument ... you have to play what is written on the sheet with perfect intonation.

If you don't you'll be fired very fast because the conductor will know it if you hack your way through the music ... and many people who go to a theater to listen to classical music can tell if you are off too, there is a lot. It is a very different world where the bar is set very high.
 
Some of us love playing music enough that it doesn't much matter what we play. I'm 43. The oldest member of my band is 50 and the youngest is 36. All of us have played in original projects and some of us have had decent success doing this including touring, radio airplay, etc. That said, NONE of us are delusional enough to think for one second that we will "make it" from playing all original music at this stage of the game. I have 2 children and I'm not about to go play endless shows spending endless time doing the "original" thing. Call me (or all of us) jaded but I really feel that is a young person's game. Maybe a single, no children young person at that. Or at least someone who doesn't have so many other people that need your time and money. That said, I still get off doing original music and creating and have a project with 2 of the other band members working on some originals, hopefully recording soon. As long as my priorities are straight and the time I devote to the originals (which are non paying compared to the cover thing obviously) do not interfere with my family responsibilities, I can enjoy them. When I was 20 and only doing original music, I had no wife, no kids, and a lot less responsibility. Perhaps if I was more successful at originals I would have continued down that path but for me personally, I can't see having a wife and kids and being on the road all the time.
 
I think the definitions of "standard" and "cover" are a little bit fuzzy. The difference tends to be a word you use depending on the genre of music that you are playing, instead of what you are actually doing. For the most part, "standard" applies to jazz, blues etc. and "cover" applies to pop, rock, etc. but I think this is really misleading. I much prefer the suggested definitions of a "standard" being a song/tune/piece of music that you use as a jumping off point and interpret your own way, and a "cover" being one that you try to play very similarly to the original recording/interpretation.

Using those definitions a lot of "covers" are looked down upon because they aren't as good as the original. If you are trying to remain faithful to how the original band played the music and something is not exactly the same, maybe your drummer doesn't have the kick beat down perfectly, maybe your guitarist isn't using the random alternate tuning on the recording so the voicings don't sound right, whatever it is: your audience has usually heard the original plenty of times and is going to know if it's "wrong". If you play "Sweet Child O' Mine" and don't NAIL the bass part note for note, someone in your audience is going to notice, and the typical response is "I can totally nail this on Guitar Hero, so obviously that guy up on stage is a complete hack." If you are going to try to play faithful covers, they have to be executed exceptionally well to win over an audience. Especially an audience with internet guitar/bass forum guys in it.

Likewise you can "cover" a band's version of a "standard" with similar looking down on you happening. Play "what a wonderful world" at any background elevator music type gig, and no one is going to bat an eye. Have your singer try to do the Louis Armstrong growl on it, and EVERYONE is going to have an opinion on your performance.

Personally one of the big problems I see with turning a "cover" into a "standard" is that a lot of bands really don't make it seem deliberate enough. If you don't try to do something different with a pop song or even worse you play a bunch of covers all night and they all have an uninspired "we're playing the right chords at the right tempo and singing the right words, so that's close enough" it gets boring fast. If you do something really different with it and make it your own you're likely going to have a few people hate what you did, but you don't fall into the trap of it not being perfectly faithful to the recording or it being mediocre. As a readily available example, Aerosmith's cover of "Come Together" does nothing for me because it falls into that not deliberate enough "we played the right notes" box for me.

That's where I see the covers hate coming in. NAIL it, or really make it your own, and you definitely have my vote. Play it 85% as good as the original, or play a whole set of what should be contrasting covers in an uninspired monotone of "this is what our band sounds like" or "our drummer only knows one groove" or "I only play quarter note roots on the bass" regardless to what happens in the original song? You are going to have a tough time winning over me, and a lot of other people in the audience.

Are people who play in cover bands lesser musicians than people who play in original bands? It really comes down to the individual musician. I know some originals musicians that are horrible and some covers musicians that are fantastic. If someone told me I was a horrible bass player for playing "Roundabout" exactly the same as Chris Squire or thought I was a musical genius because I pounded out some roots in a three chord original turd of a song, that person's opinion isn't worth my time.
 
This last post by KT nailed it- many "rock stars" are average musicians at best, and many cover musicians on the holiday Inn circuit are seasoned pros who could arrange and play Aerosmith's "walk this way" as a rock song, funk dance hit, samba, cha cha, and they could do any or all of the above in 4/4, 3/4, or 6/8 time signature in any of the 12 chromatic keys.
I think the guys in Aerosmith have real talent, but give me a cover pro who can think on his toes, utilize the Nashville Number system and turn on a dime any day of the week!
 
This last post by KT nailed it- many "rock stars" are average musicians at best, and many cover musicians on the holiday Inn circuit are seasoned pros who could arrange and play Aerosmith's "walk this way" as a rock song, funk dance hit, samba, cha cha, and they could do any or all of the above in 4/4, 3/4, or 6/8 time signature in any of the 12 chromatic keys.
I think the guys in Aerosmith have real talent, but give me a cover pro who can think on his toes, utilize the Nashville Number system and turn on a dime any day of the week!

You'd rather play with a guy from a Holiday Inn cover band instead of a member of Aerosmith because cover guy is a "better" musician? I'd say Joe Perry is more of a musician/artist for writing "Walk This Way" than the guy who can play a funk/samba/cha cha cover version of it while utilizing the Nashville Number system.

Being in a good band doesn't mean being a "better" musician than other guys. If that was the case, Victor Wooten and Yngwie Malmsteen would sell millions of records and AC/DC and Guns n' Roses would not. I imagine more cover bands on this forum play "You Shook Me All Night Long" than ___________ (insert any song by Victor Wooten or Yngwie Malmsteen, I can't name one) and it's not because AC/DC are better musicians with monster chops. It's because they can write killer songs and have charisma.

I have a good friend that I've known for over 25 years and he is an amazing guitarist. Great ear, great technique. He does a lot of session work, plays in cover bands, and can pretty much play any song or piece of music put in front of him, but he can't write a decent rock song to save his life. He knows this, so that's why he's a session guy and hired gun for cover bands.

There was a thread a few weeks back about a band that played on Letterman, The Orwells. I thought they were just awful but when I read comments on YouTube, I saw that a lot of people were really into them. The played a crap song (to me), but they wrote that generic, derivative song. It's theirs. That song is on an album, they are on tour in the US and Europe, they are playing on national TV, and people are buying their music and paying to see them in concert. That's not going to happen with cover bands. It doesn't matter how many time signatures, chromatic keys, or genres you can play "Mustang Sally" or "Sweet Home Alabama".
 
Being in a good band doesn't mean being a "better" musician than other guys. If that was the case, Victor Wooten and Yngwie Malmsteen would sell millions of records and AC/DC and Guns n' Roses would not.

A local bassist (great player in primarily a Top-40 cover band) once said-
"It's upsidedown...as a musician gets better in his craft, he will make less money. Can you imagine a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc making less as they got more experienced & more skilled"?

Remember, there's reason why McDonalds has sold so many hamburgers...
 
I just don't get the defensiveness on either side.

People in originals bands are fully aware that people in cover bands make more money. The fact that they know this and remain in originals bands kinda tells you that they don't really care about that.

People in covers bands are well aware that most of their material (unless they play exclusively really old standards whose composers' identities are lost to time) was written at some point by originals bands/songwriters. The fact that they remain in cover bands despite knowing this demonstrates that they don't care about that.

Play what you like and don't give others grief for playing what they like. I've played covers before, and it's fun. Playing originals is also fun. And that is what this is about, right? I mean, we're all doing this because it's fun, aren't we?
 
In my neck of the woods, covers are a welcomed thing. I know of a few bands in the Austin and Corpus Christi area that have quite a large fan base that either play all covers or 80% covers. Its nice to hear familiar songs with some original tunes thrown in. Last time I was in Luckenback, TX there was an Austin band playing called Mike and the Moonpies. They played some originals but what really got me was all the country covers they played. I dont listen to alot of country but their setlist was made up of all my favorites.
 
Actually yes I'd rather play with a better musician than a "name" UNLESS the "name" was going to pay me massive money. I can definitely be bought!
If it's just a matter of jamming quality I'll take the guy who can transpose on the fly, improvise, groove well. Gosh I'd say if the "name" rockstar can do all that I'd have my cake and eat it too!
I no longer have illusions of fame or fortune- I simply want to play with quality players.