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Why do we still deal with 60 cycle hum?

Audio technology has advanced a lot since pickups were invented. Computers can speed up or slow down a music track and pitch correct it. We have the ability to sample and alter sound signals just about instantaneously.

Shouldn't there be something like a pedal that can detect 60 cycle hum, assess its intensity relative to the dynamics of the instrument, and remove it from the signal?
 
Check out the ELECTRO-HARMONIX HUM DEBUGGER.


I've heard this used with an old 1956 Gibson....the solid body violin shaped one. It works.



Electro-Harmonix Hum Debugger Hum Eliminator Pedal | Sweetwater https://share.google/f97XolR19HhwPpMB4
After reading some reviews, it seems your tone may be affected by this pedal.


Most complaints seem to be from guitarists or those who use a lot of gain.

The old Gibson l heard was a very dark sounding bass with flats . If the tone changed, l didn't notice it.
 
I use multieffect Headrush MX5 for my covers top hits band, and it's got gate and noise remove filter that can be used on input. That noise filter works great in live setting. It's really hard to hear a difference in tone, and it kills the hum.

Here is short info on it:
- Targeted hum suppression: It continuously identifies the steady 50/60 Hz cycle hum and its harmonics, then attenuates them before they reach the amp and effects models.
- Adaptive filtering: Instead of a fixed notch, it adjusts in real time to the noise profile, so it feels transparent even while you’re playing.
- Preserves musical detail: Because it’s not a gate, it doesn’t chop off notes or sustain — fades remain smooth and natural.
- Pre‑processing advantage: By cleaning the signal at the input stage, it prevents hum from being amplified or distorted downstream, making all patches quieter without extra tweaking.
In short, it’s a smart, adaptive filter system that reduces hum continuously, unlike a gate which only mutes silence. This makes it especially effective for guitar and bass rigs where 60‑cycle hum is a constant issue.
 
It has a lot to do with any electrical device in your home producing radiation emissions, like leds in your tv for example. Didier Duboscq, the french luthier I already spoke about in another forum, had to solve problems like that on the Beyonce 2023 Renaissance World Tour rehearsals in the U Arena in La Défense (near Paris, it's where the siwmming events were held at the Paris Olympics).

He said they were using a 50m/20m giant screen full of leds. Leds powered by gigantic transformers (like big fridges) that where put right under the stage without any Faraday cage shielding, no isolation. He already had an experience with big acts tour rehearsals where techs were putting all those transformers in a separate area completely Faraday shielded and so isolated from the stage.

The signal/noise ratio was at 100% with the Beyonce system ! means yeah sure they used gates, so no play=no hum, but it did not solve anything when playing. The tech for that tour Sean O'Brian was lost, so he asked a french tech who gave him Duboscq phone number.

For the bass has Duboscq had to do a complete shielding, the guys wanted fender jazz basses only, single coils only (well, it was still those "noiseless" ones). The basses were wrapped in chrome, wrapping done at Fender factory. Not a big deal but still a part of the problem. But the big thing is he had to redo the coils with the EXACT SAME number of turns for each pickup and with the exact same extra low impedance, bridge and neck position so ! And the shielding was extra strong ! ! soldered copper sheets.


The only thing Didier Duboscq has been able to do for the fender strats was to buy ALL the existing stock of Seymour Duncan's Rail Vintage Rails pickups in France + some outside of Europe ! 4 strats to fill with 2 of those pickups, they were extremely rare. The guitarist insisted on getting that vintage 50's surfcaster vibe a la Chris Isaac. So "true" humbuckers were not an option.
 
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I have two computers said by side on my desktop: a tower PC and an iMac. I don't like Apple & Microsoft & all this industry but I can tell you one thing: when I use any of my instrument with just one single coil pikcup... if I don't have the PC on, I don't hear a single hum, as soon as I power it on, boom, hum comes. I think that bad appliances or electrical wiring are the issue. Perhaps?

Anyway it's a non problem for me, once you have context (music/drum track etc), you don't hear it that much. At least in my situation with 50 Hz
 
Check out the ELECTRO-HARMONIX HUM DEBUGGER.


I've heard this used with an old 1956 Gibson....the solid body violin shaped one. It works.



Electro-Harmonix Hum Debugger Hum Eliminator Pedal | Sweetwater https://share.google/f97XolR19HhwPpMB4

I have one and agree, it works. Not entirely artifact free but, as a tradeoff, certainly less of an issue in a situation where hum is a problem and wouldn't really be noticeable in a band context. Worth knowing that it takes a dedicated power supply that is part of how it works, to analyze the power, so far as I understand; it can't be used with an alternative power supply.
 
I saw this documentary about a year ago, which was talking about the British invasion of the 60s, and when they started coming over here, they couldn't get over the difference of noise levels with single coils, because in Britain it's 50 cycles, and there is no hum.

And don't forget, 60 cycles will kill you, 50 cycles won't.
 
I have two computers said by side on my desktop: a tower PC and an iMac. I don't like Apple & Microsoft & all this industry but I can tell you one thing: when I use any of my instrument with just one single coil pikcup... if I don't have the PC on, I don't hear a single hum, as soon as I power it on, boom, hum comes. I think that bad appliances or electrical wiring are the issue. Perhaps?

Anyway it's a non problem for me, once you have context (music/drum track etc), you don't hear it that much. At least in my situation with 50 Hz
Nope, it's all US/UK/CA/CE norms safety, it's radiation emissions from the screens, the PCBs (motherboards) and so on. If you want to get rid of it, you have to put your tower PC and iMac into a Faraday cage. But still... are there leds in the screens ?
 
Nope, it's all US/UK/CA/CE norms safety, it's radiation emissions from the screens, the PCBs (motherboards) and so on. If you want to get rid of it, you have to put your tower PC and iMac into a Faraday cage. But still... are there leds in the screens ?

Read again, only my PC triggers some hum, nothing when I only have my iMac (which i use to play my basses in a pair of headphones or hifi speakers). Silence... Both screens are LED LCDs and I'm very close to the iMac when I play. The tower of my Windows PC is further but as soon as it's on... any bass, any single coil pickup.
 
I saw this documentary about a year ago, which was talking about the British invasion of the 60s, and when they started coming over here, they couldn't get over the difference of noise levels with single coils, because in Britain it's 50 cycles, and there is no hum.

And don't forget, 60 cycles will kill you, 50 cycles won't.

That's really strange. I'm in Europe with 50 Hz (230v) electricity and single coils still hum (albeit, I'd think at a different frequency though I don't think at any significant difference in level). Where 50 vs 60 Hz is a big issue is things like old electric clocks, turntables, Hammond organs, etc that sync off of it. I can imagine old tube amps sounding different as it's twice the voltage in Europe/the UK than in the US.

Having been shocked by 230v 50 Hz, definitely do not recommend.
 
I saw this documentary about a year ago, which was talking about the British invasion of the 60s, and when they started coming over here, they couldn't get over the difference of noise levels with single coils, because in Britain it's 50 cycles, and there is no hum.

And don't forget, 60 cycles will kill you, 50 cycles won't.

In Britain, the hum is 50Hz rather than 60Hz.

And 50Hz AC is just as capable of causing electrocution as 60Hz. Please do not spread electrical safety misinformation.
 
Because we are, for the most part, still playing instruments with 1950's tech, its ridiculous how low-tech basses and guitars are compared to the device you are viewing this thread on, inexcusable, really. I'm kind of amused at the newish tech integrated into turntables to cancel out the inevitable pops and hisses inherent to vinyl records, which are slowly destroyed by the simple act of playng them. I grew up with vinyl, and no, it doesn't sound better than CD's, it sounds progressively worse over time, but it was cool having the big album cover for art work, or for cleaning weed, but you can keep the vinyl otherwise. Anybody rocking wax Edison cylinders out there? Another example of advanced tech thrown at a problem that shouldn't really exist in the first place, when there are so many better solutions out there. In the menatime, fully shield the bass, and get a noise gate, I guess.The only thing that makes my fully shielded basses hum at home is one particular LED light, not sure why. Is that RF interference?
 
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I saw this documentary about a year ago, which was talking about the British invasion of the 60s, and when they started coming over here, they couldn't get over the difference of noise levels with single coils, because in Britain it's 50 cycles, and there is no hum.

And don't forget, 60 cycles will kill you, 50 cycles won't.
WE definitly get hum in the UK. Being a little lower should make it I little easier to filter out of guitars, but I think the big difference is that because the UK is 240v we take electrical safety and grounding a little more seriously. The idea that live and neutral could be reversed on a socket (or that you could plug an amp in "the wrong way around" and make the chases live!) just doesn't happen here. Every socket has an earth. The plugs are individually fused (in addition to the devices own fuse, and the mains circuit fuse). Pretty much everywhere has electronic fuses which trip if there's the slightest imbalance in the circuit, so if anything is connected incorrectly or develops a fault the whole system is shut down.

60 or 50hz will kill you pretty much identically. It's the voltage that matters:

240v can kill you. 110v can also kill you but you stand a bit of a better chance.
 
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Hum still exists because of a few things:

1) Transmitting electrical power works much better with AC than it does with DC. You can use lower or higher frequencies, but lower frequencies need huge transformers to minimize losses, and higher frequencies, while they can work, don't work for transmitting power for long distances. Airplanes use 400 Hz (the whine you hear in a plane sometimes is 400Hz and multiples of that, which is much easier to hear than 60 Hz). They do that to save weight - transformers for 400 Hz are much lighter than those for 60 Hz. The ISS when it launched used 20kHz for power distribution, which provided even more weight reduction. (They now use DC, and dc/dc converters) for distribution.

In addition, things we make radiate fields at other frequencies - CRT's used to be a big issue, now your LED monitor is cleaner, but still not all that clean. So, a device that gets rid of 60 Hz and it's harmonics....isn't going to be good enough in all cases.

There are two ways that hum/buzz gets into your instrument's signal:

1) Magnetic fields - power lines and power transformers radiate magnetic fields - really, anything where current is flowing makes magnetic fields.

2) Electrostatic fields - high voltages on things gives you fields that can interfere.

The fixes for those two things are different. Shielding works for electrostatic fields (condenser mics are a real problem if not very well shielded), but it doesn't do anything for magnetic fields. No matter how well your Jazz bass with single coils is shielded, it will hum if you solo a pickup in the presence of a magnetic field.

To fix magnetic hum, you need hum cancelling pickups. Hum cancelling works by having two coils, which product opposite polarity hum signals, and when combined, the hum goes away. But there's a catch here. For hum cancelling to work, the magnetic field at both coils has to be identical. In a lot of cases, where the source isn't too near the instrument, that assumption holds true enough that your bass can be silent, but it doesn't ALWAYS work. A P bass is inherently a bit quieter than a Jazz bass for electromagnetic hum, because the pickup halves are closer to each other - in a strong magnetic field, the fields at both coils are more similar, the closer the coils are to each other. For Christmas services, the churches I play at have a tendency to put Christmas trees on stage - sometimes with the lights on dimmers. That produces magnetic fields that are pretty chaotic - if you are anywhere near a tree (they put them all over the stage, so that's kind of a given), even a bass or guitar with hum cancelling pickups that's normally silent will often hum.

One interesting nitpicky thing: P basses are generally pretty quiet, but there are a few details that can bite you:

1) Orientation of coils: If you slant the pickup halves so that they are not in one plane (often done to manage string balance), the magnetic hum cancellation is compromised somewhat - as they are not pointing the same direction, the fields that the two coils see are not the same. If you hear a little magnetic hum on a P, this may be why.

2) Electrostatic fields: A P puts the coils in series. One of them has one side that is grounded, the other does not. This can contribute to electrostatic hum. If you wire the coils in parallel (you have to capacitively load the pickup to regain the sound you want) it helps in certain situations.

3) Electrostatic shielding - it's a good idea to shield a P pickup, and it's also a very good idea to ground the magnets/pole pieces (this applies to a Jazz as well) - a grounded piece of copper tape with conductive adhesive across the back of the pickup can provide that grounding. Some pickups now do this as a matter of course, but all the old Fender designs are ungrounded, which is something that Leo missed (he didn't get everything right).

If you do all of these things, you might be surprised at how much quieter your P bass is in certain places.
 
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And don't forget, 60 cycles will kill you, 50 cycles won't.
That is completely false, and really dangerous misinformation. In most cases, 50 Hz comes out of the wall at about twice the voltage, which means it's far MORE deadly. European plugs are better at keeping your fingers away from line voltage than what we use in the US, which they kind have to be, given the higher voltage - that is the chief reason you might be safer around European power.
 
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