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Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ROON, Aug 24, 2007.


  1. ROON

    ROON

    Aug 5, 2006
    Sydney, Australia
    gui****ists with a almighty wall of Marshall amps, and the bassist only needs one or two 8x10's to be heard? Are 5/6 of the gui**** stacks even turned on? :confused:

    It struck me when I was watching an Annihilator clip today... it's just... weird.

    As for the bassists that have the almighty wall of amps, do you think they use them all too?
     
  2. no

    its all show only 2 Sacks are in use

    unless its Slayer they use ALL Of them!even in the studio they mic all the speakers!
     
  3. ROON

    ROON

    Aug 5, 2006
    Sydney, Australia
    I really don't get Slayer. I just don't see why people like them. Much better and creative metal out there IMO!!! I remember at a Black Label Society concert last September, all of Zakk's (the lead guitarist's) amps were turned on... it seriously sounded like he was using all of them too. Maaaaaaan that was a loud concert. :eek: :hyper:
     
  4. Sound Chaser

    Sound Chaser

    Mar 19, 2005
    Lockport, NY
    I agree with every facet of that post (except I saw BLS in March).

    Marshall stack = 100 watts
    Ampeg stack = 1200 watts

    Answer your question?
     
  5. ROON

    ROON

    Aug 5, 2006
    Sydney, Australia
    Sorry for my ignorance, but is a Marshall stack really only 100 watts?! :eek: No wonder they need a whopping big wall of them... Can't remember what the size of JD's rig was, it was more than one 8x10 though, that's for sure.
     
  6. Sound Chaser

    Sound Chaser

    Mar 19, 2005
    Lockport, NY
    He uses Marshalls as well, actually.
     
  7. I blame Phil Spector.
     
  8. CrackBass

    CrackBass

    Aug 10, 2004
    huntsville,AL
    yea most of it is for show, but i believe zakk is one of the rare exceptions. i think he runs 8 4x12's loaded with evm12's.

    btw a 1200 watt ampeg stack (svt4pro with an 810) would break a major sweat keeping up with a cranked 100 watt full stack (typical marshall jcm800, or boogie dual rec, with two 412's) let alone two or three. bass is much harder to push than treble, and takes tons more power. 100 watts of bass power isn't much by todays standards. but for guitar, 100 watts of tube power will kill small animals and children. i've gigged with 30 watt tube combos (on guitar) and i find that they will make a 400 watt bass rig really work hard if you dime them.
     
  9. llatikcuf

    llatikcuf

    Aug 24, 2007
    Sitting in the mix well
    I read an article on Brian May once where it was revealed that only one of the Vox amps in his wall of Voxes was actually live - he just mic'd it through the sound system. I guess the rest of 'em were dummy amps, just because it looked cooler than having a single AC-30 (or whatever it was) on the big stage.
     
  10. Double Agent

    Double Agent Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2006
    Lakeland, FL
    All of the above is true...

    My gui**** usually uses a Mesa Single Rectifier combo (50 watts, 1x12) with a Mesa 1x12 extension cab underneath. Kind of a mini stack. Loud as @#$%. I play with 425 watts and we are pretty evenly matched. He also has a Dual Rectifier with a 4x12 underneath, but most places we play are too small for that.

    If a guitar player is using more than a 100-120 watt tube amp, they just don't want you or anyone else, including themselves, to keep your hearing past the age of 40. Or they have a maturity problem.
     
  11. Racermech

    Racermech

    Apr 10, 2007
    With bass too, you don't necessarily hear or feel the pain in your ears as it gets louder.

    Feeling your heart pump and getting pushed away from 2000watts of dual 8x10's is one thing.

    Standing next to the sound of 100 watts of treble and feeling the blood trickle out of your ears because your guitarist is playing a lead that can only be described as nails on a chalkboard, is a total other.
     
  12. that doesnt really answer anything. guitar rigs are always louder than bass ones because of the frequencies they are emitting. that is why you can be at band practice with your 200 watt combo and your guitarist has a 35 watt amp and you can hear him fine.

    the people who have these walls of amps usually are just for show, most of the time they are playing through only one of them. its stupid even if they did play through all of them, because at a show like that, they are just gonna mic everything and throw it out through the PA system anyway.

    i think a lot of bands that have these walls of marshalls are using just empty cabinets anyway. i know a lot of bands just have one actual amp out there while all the rest are just empty shells set up for show. makes it easier to load it and out if there is nothing inside the cabs.
     
  13. just out of curiosity, how do you have so many lines in your sig without being a supporting member?
     
  14. Baird6869

    Baird6869 RIP Gord Downey. A True Canadian Icon.

    My gui**** used a 70's Marshall 100W head with a 4x12 Cab. My ears ring for 3-4 days after PRACTICE if I don't use earplugs. And his volume is at 3 or 4 MAX.:eek:

    Those things are friggin loud! My 450W solid state Ampeg needs 2 cabs and gain from a SansAmp, MXR 10 band EQ and Sonic Maximizer to keep up.:help:
     
  15. Sound Chaser

    Sound Chaser

    Mar 19, 2005
    Lockport, NY
    I haven't edited it in like a year or so. If I were to edit it now, I would have to cut down. I sold the Kubicki and the SVP and have a Bass PODxt Live now, actually.
     
  16. Hemispheres85

    Hemispheres85

    Jun 15, 2006
    More than 1 8X10 is rediculous.

    People should tell other band members to turn it DOWN before they have to turn themselves Up to pushing their amp (and their ears!) to the limit.
     
  17. smakbass

    smakbass Smakkin basses for 25 years..

    Aug 6, 2002
    Vancouver Canada
    I used to play with a guy with a 1000 watt guitar amp/system....insanity...

    I usually use the 1-4 ratio in my thinking about 100 watts of guitar you need about 400 in bass of course it gets confusing as your not really buying watts but loudness in a sense and not all amps are created/rated equally.
     
  18. andrewd

    andrewd

    Sep 5, 2003
    One of my guitar players uses a 30 watt Bad Cat head through a 2x12 Avatar. That thing is the loudest 30 watts EVER.
     
  19. In my living room I have a 50-watt Vox, a 30-watt Laney, and a 17(?)-watt Ampeg (a 1961 Reverberocket I just had restored). The only amp that ever brought one of the security guys to knock on the door of my apartment because of the volume was the little Ampeg. It's the loudest 17 watts ever!!

    Anyway, it takes a lot less power to amplify frequencies in the mid and treble ranges to a certain apparent volume level than it does to amplify the bass end of the spectrum to be at that apparent volume level.
     
  20. ROON

    ROON

    Aug 5, 2006
    Sydney, Australia
    Yup, Marshall 810's and the VBA400. Can't remember how many he uses live though.
     

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