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Why don't more builders use fanned frets / multi-scale?

I imagine a headless 5er, fanned frets, automatic tuners, graphite neck, polycarbonate or lucite body...

You forgot true temperament :D

I recently sold my old fretless and lent my older Fame Baphomet to a musically inclined young cousin so as of now I only have fanned instruments. Of which one is fretless.

Disagree. You make the entire bass harder to play in order to "improve" 4 notes on 1 string.

I'll give you that : fanned fretless is harder. But on a fretted you're not making the bass any harder to play, except for a few specific chord voicings (but then again other voicings get easier).

To answer the original question though, more builders have been getting into fanned frets for guitars and basses. Strandberg, Mayones, Skerseven, Aristides, Kiesel, Little, Ibanez, LTD...
 
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You forgot true temperament :D

I had to look that one up, had not heard of true temperament. Makes the fretboard look like a digital glitch!

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Yes, add that and plug & play modular/sliding pickups!
 
Like I said before, fanned frets are more difficult to play, but you get a proper low B along with increased clarity and balance for all of the strings. Despite what some traditionalists have said, there is a very discernible audio difference in the low B. Whether you choose to hear it is another thing entirely, but physics don't lie.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that multiscale basses take over completely, just that there ARE people who want the tone that is only achievable with them. These people will put in the extra time and effort necessary to play them in order to add that tool to their toolbox. No reason to shout "solves a problem nobody has!" Some people would have said the same thing about slavery, yet here we are. If fanned frets were standard and parallel frets were the outlier, the sides would likely be reversed.
 
Like I said before, fanned frets are more difficult to play, but you get a proper low B along with increased clarity and balance for all of the strings. Despite what some traditionalists have said, there is a very discernible audio difference in the low B. Whether you choose to hear it is another thing entirely, but physics don't lie.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that multiscale basses take over completely, just that there ARE people who want the tone that is only achievable with them. These people will put in the extra time and effort necessary to play them in order to add that tool to their toolbox. No reason to shout "solves a problem nobody has!" Some people would have said the same thing about slavery, yet here we are. If fanned frets were standard and parallel frets were the outlier, the sides would likely be reversed.


To say the difference is "very" discernible is quite a stretch. As for the physics, like in many situations, what is true on paper doesn't always match in application. There are so many factors, from the wiring in your house that powers your amp to the thickness of your calluses, and the humidity in the air that effect your tone you produce and hear.

The majority of this discussion, as with most of it's sort is simple. Tone is 100% completely subjective and no two people will ever 100% agree.

As for the question, why don't more companies make fanned fret basses;
Using the transportation analogy - The P bass is like the average Honda, not too flashy, reliable as hell, easy and cheap to change and replace parts. Some drivers want more power, some want more speed, some need to haul around 6 kids(poor bastards and their dusty bass collections), and some want something that just looks outrageous and grabs attention.

Tesla doesn't make a minivan(yet), there isn't a Shelby Cobra on every street corner, and everyone hated the H2. The market dictates what companies sell and the largest manufacturers will always attempt to chase trends if they feel the investment risk/reward is worth it, but almost always fall short of what the boutique manufacturers were doing that sparked the trend. Most remember these past mistakes and are careful in the future.

The first Dingwall I saw was in the 1997 Bass Player Mag 5 String shoot out around 1997. The first fan fret instrument I ever saw. I remember thinking that it look goofy and gimmicky but also kind of cool. In 20 years, they continue to have the relatively infinitesimal % of their bass market covered and they do it very well.

As for Dingwall's low numbers and scarcity of availability? There have been almost a dozen for sale here on Talkbass recently and the relatively low production numbers keep the market strong and the values up.

In the mean time, I'll keep my eyes peeled for a 10 string Squire Stick.
 
Ibanez now offers a fanned fret bass, there might be a few others as well. It does appear to be a niche market thing, but I think they're pretty cool. I got to play another TBer's Dingwall J-style 4-string and it did take a bit of effort to get used to, but after 10 minutes I felt just as comfortable on it as a regular-fret bass.

I wouldn't mind having one but it's not super-high on my GAS list right now.
That Ibanez fanned fret bass has the best B string out of any Ibanez I've ever played. It's high on my wish list!
 
Up until a few years ago, fanned frets were patented IP. Dingwall was the only real legal player in that game because they licensed that IP. I believe that patent has since expired, which is why Ibanez jumped in, but there isn't really a lot of demand for it, IMO. Dingwalls are very cool, but I don't feel they provide me with anything that my other basses don't already do well for what I need. Just because their low B is "unbeatable" doesn't mean that other B-strings aren't incredibly and/or sufficiently good. The question is, do the benefits of the B-string outweigh the costs of getting accustomed to a different fingerboard? That's something that can only be determined by each individual player in their own unique situation.
 
Any chords/soloing above the 12th fret simply does not work on a 37" fanned fret neck. Angle gets too crazy.

Any standard playing below the 12th fret is workable.
And yes, the intonation does sound better.

You just have to figure out what your playing style and goals are.

I personally would never get fanned frets. Doesn't work for my style.
 
If you took a poll of 100 bass players in your area, 95 would have no idea what fanned frets are. Most play 4 string basses w 34" scales. In fact, watch some TV. Watch some festivals on Palladia, Jules Holland, etc. go to some local shows and some concerts that feature national and international acts. Most bassist use 4 strings w 34" inch scales! Lol.

I have a no real opinion on a fanned fret instrument. I've never tried one but to ask why bass builders don't offer them?

TB is a great forum but most bassists don't visit it and most have never heard of it. And I'd guess that 99 out of 100 bass players have never heard of Dingwall basses
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I think I saw this guy on Jules Holland, maybe, once or twice.
 
Most FF players have chosen to stay out of this thread because it's futile to change the opinion of people who don't want to change their mind. So there's no use to point out the inaccuracies or question their experience with FFs. It reminds me of people who only listen to people who share their own opinions and then pass them on as universal truths. Unlike many who have expressed opinions here, most, if not all FF players have a lot of experience with parallel fret instruments and have chosen to play FFs anyway. Just as it's clear that is not the case with many naysayers. Closed mindedness is an ugly trait I associate more with other musicians, I never thought to see it as much from bassists.
 
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Up until a few years ago, fanned frets were patented IP. Dingwall was the only real legal player in that game because they licensed that IP. I believe that patent has since expired, which is why Ibanez jumped in, but there isn't really a lot of demand for it, IMO. Dingwalls are very cool, but I don't feel they provide me with anything that my other basses don't already do well for what I need. Just because their low B is "unbeatable" doesn't mean that other B-strings aren't incredibly and/or sufficiently good. The question is, do the benefits of the B-string outweigh the costs of getting accustomed to a different fingerboard? That's something that can only be determined by each individual player in their own unique situation.

If this is true the patent should have been thrown out since fanned fretting and the multi scale platform the necessitates it is not new technique by any measure as was pointed out earlier in the thread.
 
Don't put words in my mouth and I won't put them in yours, fair enough, sport? If you think I was talking to you, the point may have hit to close to home. But I was juat making an observation. I could not care less if anyone agrees with my gear choices, I make them for me, not ya'll.
 
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