Why no Hemp?

[onewebfoot]

Son of Sanford - perhaps some of your points are justified, but for the record, I have a right to complain. Yes - I vote. Yes, I am a social activist in two areas, and have been for 3-6 years, depending on the cause. Former military, honorably discharged. And I still think Doctor Jazz has nailed a truth that cannot be refuted - special interests are more powerful now in the US than likely they have ever been. And they obtain part or much of their staying power, in my estimation, from beltway ideology into which the masses buy. This is a red state/blue state thing, in a lot of ways.

But complaining, for the sake of discussion, is vastly underrated. A lot of people might not know that others are angry about the same things without complaining. Otherwise, we've seen what the voting majority can do (edit - though voters, as a class, are indeed a minority). We'll see what the "voting majority" does next time. Edit - on this issue - California voters voted with amazingly decisive majority to legalize hemp in some ways, and the Fed immediately jumped in and took over. Again - it's the Feds, with their two-faced ideology and entrenched special interest base, that they cling to and whip over everyone's heads...this is what should have people angry...

 

[Son of Sanford]

Son of Sanford - perhaps some of your points are justified, but for the record, I have a right to complain. Yes - I vote. Yes, I am a social activist in two areas, and have been for 3-6 years, depending on the cause. Former military, honorably discharged. And I still think Doctor Jazz has nailed a truth that cannot be refuted - special interests are more powerful now in the US than likely they have ever been. And they obtain part or much of their staying power, in my estimation, from beltway ideology into which the masses buy. This is a red state/blue state thing, in a lot of ways.

But complaining, for the sake of discussion, is vastly underrated. A lot of people might not know that others are angry about the same things without complaining. Otherwise, we've seen what the voting majority can do (edit - though voters, as a class, are indeed a minority). We'll see what the "voting majority" does next time. Edit - on this issue - California voters voted with amazingly decisive majority to legalize hemp in some ways, and the Fed immediately jumped in and took over. Again - it's the Feds, with their two-faced ideology and entrenched special interest base, that they cling to and whip over everyone's heads...this is what should have people angry...

I'm addressing the bolded portion. My whole thing is that, if you have millions upon millions of people that think legalization is a good idea (and in my estimation, you do), and those people actually decide to VOTE, the "beltway ideology" won't account for squat on the subject.

You're right, special interest groups are very powerful. Has anyone tried to find one that supports their position on hemp and contributed their time and money to that cause? No? How about a political party that does the same? I know one that every pothead I know claims to be a member of, yet not one contributes to the cause or really shows support in any way other than mentioning the ideology while high.

Onewebfoot, you're participating, and I'm glad to see that someone is. The remainder of this paragraph isn't aimed at you. Many (if not, most) of the people that beat this drum don't even bother. They complain about the huge, impenetrable system and don't even know how to look for the cracks to gain a foothold. It's always someone else's fault. If you haven't done anything within your power and right to change the problem, it's YOUR fault.

 

[louieeadg]

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[Son of Sanford]

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Thank you. While probably against the rules, this one post is more useful to your point than most of the rest of this thread.

Edit: I just skimmed through it. LO and BEHOLD!!!!! Most of the front page is telling you to do the same thing I am. I must be a genius.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

I'm addressing the bolded portion. My whole thing is that, if you have millions upon millions of people that think legalization is a good idea (and in my estimation, you do), and those people actually decide to VOTE, the "beltway ideology" won't account for squat on the subject.

You're right, special interest groups are very powerful. Has anyone tried to find one that supports their position on hemp and contributed their time and money to that cause? No? How about a political party that does the same? I know one that every pothead I know claims to be a member of, yet not one contributes to the cause or really shows support in any way other than mentioning the ideology while high.

Onewebfoot, you're participating, and I'm glad to see that someone is. The remainder of this paragraph isn't aimed at you. Many (if not, most) of the people that beat this drum don't even bother. They complain about the huge, impenetrable system and don't even know how to look for the cracks to gain a foothold. It's always someone else's fault. If you haven't done anything within your power and right to change the problem, it's YOUR fault.

Actually, I don't thing smoking grade hemp should be legal. I'm for legalizing industrial hemp though. It's one of the only crops that doesn't have to be subsidized by the government. It's an actual cash crop. As far as legalizing smoking hemp, that's a whole different argument. My arguments for NOT legalizing it, is that out here in California it's already legal to some extent. If you get caught with less than an ounce, it's a misdemeanor ticket, much like an open container ticket. But if it was made really legal, where it was distributing in stores and what not, it would be taxed to death, AND you probably get these blends that aren't pure bud, but contain toxic chemicals similar to those found in cigarettes. My biggest deterrent is money. The price of bud has been 60 bucks for an 1/8th ounce since 1988 (maybe earlier but I can't remember). What other product, besides maybe salt, have you known to stay at a steady price like that? That's a black market price too.

 

[Ripper]

The governor here in new york wants to legalize small amounts or medical marijuana... that may be a good thing to the relativity of this thread. If "Pot" is legalized in this state, then the growing of industrial hemp may be legal.

and responding to multiple others, I can not vote, but i wish i could. there are too many problems in this country and the public does not have enough power IMO in the government. the legislative system that we have is failing because it is based on money not on the public's best interest.

oh... and with ethanol, i hope that its a TON more efficient to make out of hemp than corn, because once ethanol is being made on a large scale, it will never get below $6 per gallon because of the price of corn, which will increase due to the increased demand. if hemp ethanol is produced, then it would have a lower price than corn ethanol because it would be able to produce faster than corn, and it would have a lot of uses after the oil is extracted as well.

there was something more i was gonna put about the ethanol, but i lost it