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Why the hate on JHS?

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nshuman said:
"LOL?" Ok, you are missing the point ENTIRELY. you are referring the the definition YOU subscribe to now. Not the definition that somebody else subscribes to now. And, Libertarian is not just a party, it's also an ideology.

Also, depending on where you vote...

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LOL indeed...
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I have no idea what you are saying in the first couple "sentences." You brought the word "Conservative" into the mix. There is no "Conservative" party here in America. You are trying to tell me that a person can be libertarian and not support a "free market" economy. This is still false and always will be. If you are going to attempt to disagree with someone or call them out, it would help if you were able to articulate an actual point.

Please look closely at your Wikipedia link. This "American Conservative Party" is b.s. Anyone can start a wikipedia post or a .org. Did you even read your link? Try looking further than wiki.
 
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Worldeeeter said:
Keep your religion to yourself; it's your right to worship in this country; it is NOT your right to push it on everyone around you.
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So....a business that identifies itself as "Christian" is pushing its beliefs on you?

The second you see the term "Christian" applied to something, you could simply ignore it. You could have even ignored this thread. Did someone push it on you? Instead, you came in with very strong opinions telling believers what they should and shouldn't do. Sounds like you're trying to "push it (your opinion) on everyone around you."

It's everyone's right to identify themselves, and it's everyone's right to support, ignore, or even vilify those who choose to make their beliefs known. That's how it works.

Adamixoye said:
Well that's not a bigoted opinion at all. :rollno: I agree that a lot of businesses that self-identify as "Christian" don't live up to their beliefs. But I disagree that ALL of them fall into the categories you defined.

It actually is the right of religious people to proclaim their beliefs as they see fit, whether you consider that "pushing" that on you or not. And it's your right to ignore them/mock them/etc. The first amendment is not in place to keep you or anyone else happy. It's in place to prevent persecution from the government, and that's it, no more, no less.
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^THIS. 100% THIS.
 
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Sounds like they make some good-sounding pedals that some people like, but have some legitimate issues with honesty (if not downright fraud). That troubles me.

Does anyone know if another company makes something comparable to their Colour Box? Most of their pedals seem like straight clones of other pedals, but this one isn't so easily matched. What's a good alternative? Does someone else have a classic-board-in-a-box like this?
 
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FilterFunk said:
So....a business that identifies itself as "Christian" is pushing its beliefs on you?

The second you see the term "Christian" applied to something, you could simply ignore it. You could have even ignored this thread. Did someone push it on you? Instead, you came in with very strong opinions telling believers what they should and shouldn't do. Sounds like you're trying to "push it (your opinion) on everyone around you."

It's everyone's right to identify themselves, and it's everyone's right to support, ignore, or even vilify those who choose to make their beliefs known. That's how it works.
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There is no such thing as a "Christian" business. Walmart shall not enter the gates of heaven.
 
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Red Four said:
Sounds like they make some good-sounding pedals that some people like, but have some legitimate issues with honesty (if not downright fraud). That troubles me.

Does anyone know if another company makes something comparable to their Colour Box? Most of their pedals seem like straight clones of other pedals, but this one isn't so easily matched. What's a good alternative? Does someone else have a classic-board-in-a-box like this?
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I tried a Colour Box and was waaaaay less than impressed. There was another channel in a box released recently, I'll see if I can remember who makes it.
 
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groovatron said:
Nope. I am saying that in a free market economy where folks vote with their dollars, companies that act that way will eventually fail. If they don't fail, then there is usually another side to the story.

I personally don't know much about the allegations of JHS. Nor do I follow the "political boutique pedal world."

I would just warn certain advocates of JHS's demise to choose their words and arguments carefully. Sometimes a passionate argument can turn into a contrary situation. You may be doing more good for them then harm. It all goes back to the "there is no bad publicity" argument. It's easy to get riled up with your like-minded com padres on an internet forum. Just make sure that your positions are firmly rooted in facts and these facts are displayed in a concise and relevant manner. There are many more people who read these threads than who post. Most of them are not even members of this forum. I know a few people who would read some of these bashing threads and it would make them want to go out and buy a JHS pedal even more.

Perhaps I'm playing devils advocate, but we all know that threads need that. It's just my opinion, take it or leave it.

And I am personally by no means a shitstain :) I am a man of character and honesty.
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I agree with you there. Well except for maybe that last part. ;)

Trust me when I say the JHS hate is nothing new. There are plenty of facts to back up what is being said here.

Hey remember the Muse cafe? You guys used to tear it up there. :)
 
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MultiScaleMale said:
There is no such thing as a "Christian" business. Walmart shall not enter the gates of heaven.
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There are businesses that actually operate based on their Christian beliefs; they aren't just businesses that happen to be run by people who call themselves Christians. And since this all falls into the category of semantics, I won't go any further in this particular direction.
 
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bassmusic17 said:
I agree with you there. Well except for maybe that last part. ;)

Trust me when I say the JHS hate is nothing new. There are plenty of facts to back up what is being said here.

Hey remember the Muse cafe? You guys used to tear it up there. :)
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Haha.....yep. I actually just jammed with the owner (Chris) last night in Chicago. We do a once a month jam night called the "Rub." It's at a bar called The Throne Room.

Wow...the coffee house days. They were fun indeed.
 
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groovatron said:
"Conservative" is not a party. Libertarian is. You cannot vote for the "Conservative" party here in America when you hit the ballot box. Libertarian yes.

And yes, words do change meaning and evolve over time. That is certain. Please assume that the words that I am referring to are meant to be interpreted with their most current definition and not one from the past or future lol.
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Your conservative party just goes by another name (Republican), and they make Canadian Conservatives look like your Democrats. lol
 
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Worldeeeter said:
EDIT: I just noticed the "worship" tag in your profile. I should have known. You have to defend the money-making fraud machine that is organized religion.
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And I just noticed this edit. You've admitted to being an anti-religious bigot. There are other atheists around here that I get along with just fine, they wouldn't say I've "pushed" my beliefs on them. But when you said people didn't have a "right" to proclaim their religion, that's what I took issue with.
 
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Adamixoye said:
As in, you think it's appropriate, or you legitimately want to know? If you go to the smileys, you can actually select positive, neutral, or negative. It's a negative one.
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I was being facetious. Basically, there's like 30 threads on JHS hate (which seems like a LOT of wasted energy) here and every one of them includes the following:
  • nshuman's immediate and outspoken hatred of the company
  • religious debate between someone of faith and someone not (off-topic)
  • cloning of circuits, legit and otherwise
  • the realization that the "pedal industry" is basically an incestuous mix of the same circuits, slightly modded by each pedal maker and marketed with different levels of transparency where obvious, understated cloning is acceptable if vaguely mentioned in their literature
  • me, requesting an eyeroll smiley out of pure "here we go, yet again" meh-ness
Playing bass and enjoying the sound is lost somewhere in the mix (which is, consequently, something that happens far to frequently with pedals).
 
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FilterFunk said:
So....a business that identifies itself as "Christian" is pushing its beliefs on you?

The second you see the term "Christian" applied to something, you could simply ignore it. You could have even ignored this thread. Did someone push it on you? Instead, you came in with very strong opinions telling believers what they should and shouldn't do. Sounds like you're trying to "push it (your opinion) on everyone around you."

It's everyone's right to identify themselves, and it's everyone's right to support, ignore, or even vilify those who choose to make their beliefs known. That's how it works.


^THIS. 100% THIS.
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You are defending YOUR position...Christianity. You are no more right or wrong than I am. Just your opinion, which means nothing to me.
 
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Adamixoye said:
And I just noticed this edit. You've admitted to being an anti-religious bigot. There are other atheists around here that I get along with just fine, they wouldn't say I've "pushed" my beliefs on them. But when you said people didn't have a "right" to proclaim their religion, that's what I took issue with.
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I was unaware that this is a worship thread. I DO ignore those, and don't go anywhere near them. I thought this was a thread about a pedal manufacturer who had issues with the marketplace. Had I known that this was a praise-related thread about pedals, I would never had posted in the first place.
 
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Adamixoye said:
And I just noticed this edit. You've admitted to being an anti-religious bigot. There are other atheists around here that I get along with just fine, they wouldn't say I've "pushed" my beliefs on them. But when you said people didn't have a "right" to proclaim their religion, that's what I took issue with.
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I think he worded it badly but I get what he's saying. Many religious people will not support a company who is open about doubting the existence of a deity, he is basically just doing the opposite. Personally I don't buy products from companies that put religious symbols or quotes on stuff either. It just irks me and doesn't align with my belief system. That doesn't make me a bigot.
 
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