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Will the ciggarette prices get you to quit
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I'm conflicted on this one. The idealist in me believes that all drugs should be legal. On the other hand, I know first hand that there's some nasty stuff out there...far less innocuous than marijuana.
BTW, did you know they followed up Proposition 215 with (get this) Senate Bill 420? Seriously
If heroin was legal, it would be cheaper and people wouldn't need to steal to feed their habits. Also, if it were legal, trained nurses could administer a pure, uncut version. Better dosage calculation, less risk of overdose and damaged veins.
Our political landscape is so volatile that phrases like (and especially) "liberal" get so totally twisted from their original intention that they come to be associated with something completely different.
Nowadays, Liberal is synonymous with the politics of a strain of the left wing that tends to be wealthier, and advocates big government and a lot of government control. A good face for the "liberal" bent IMO would be someone like John Kerry. That's what I tend to think of when I think of the phrase "liberal."
And before anyone gets all up in my grill, I'm not showing any support or condemnation of these politics--it's just how I see it.
I'm enjoying the militant libertarians tilting at the windmills here.... It's adorable.
Industrialized nations have laws for the greater good. Don't say things about cars and microwaves...... it makes you sound like an idiot.
Your government keeps you from killing yourself on a daily basis. The FDA keeps (or certainly tries to) dangerous items out of the food supply. Standards are established, safety experts are consulted, ..... governments worldwide make a massive effort to keep their populations safe and healthy.
That's why tobacco products in general are so hard to understand. I wish I could remember who originally said this, " Cigarettes are the only product on the market in existence that, if used as directed, will definitely kill you."
Legal, illegal, I really could give a crap. They WILL kill you dead......
All you children squealing about your rights..... I started smoking when I was 17. It seemed cool. You started for the same reason. Please don't pretend it was anything but that. It insults the intelligence of all concerned. There are no logical reasons to start. I quit managed to quit 2 years ago at the age 43. I hope that all those years smoking don't kill me anytime soon. I've got a ton of things to do first (raise my children, etc...). But, if I come down with cancer or some other smoking related disease, I'll know it was my fault.
Industrialized nations have laws for the greater good. Don't say things about cars and microwaves...... it makes you sound like an idiot.
Your government keeps you from killing yourself on a daily basis. The FDA keeps (or certainly tries to) dangerous items out of the food supply. Standards are established, safety experts are consulted, ..... governments worldwide make a massive effort to keep their populations safe and healthy.
That's why tobacco products in general are so hard to understand. I wish I could remember who originally said this, " Cigarettes are the only product on the market in existence that, if used as directed, will definitely kill you."
Legal, illegal, I really could give a crap. They WILL kill you dead......
All you children squealing about your rights..... I started smoking when I was 17. It seemed cool. You started for the same reason. Please don't pretend it was anything but that. It insults the intelligence of all concerned. There are no logical reasons to start. I quit managed to quit 2 years ago at the age 43. I hope that all those years smoking don't kill me anytime soon. I've got a ton of things to do first (raise my children, etc...). But, if I come down with cancer or some other smoking related disease, I'll know it was my fault.
I'm conflicted on this one. The idealist in me believes that all drugs should be legal. On the other hand, I know first hand that there's some nasty stuff out there...far less innocuous than marijuana.
BTW, did you know they followed up Proposition 215 with (get this) Senate Bill 420? Seriously
well, consider that if drug addiction were treated as a public health issue and not a criminal one, a lot of the nastiness would be avoided. otoh, people do love the allure of the illegal.
i think america's attempt at prohibition was a pretty good textbook case.
but, we have now completely hijacked this thread.
damn those ciggie taxes! i do really think that smokers have become an "acceptable" target in our society. and that ain't right.
Drug users today are persecuted the same way homosexuals were 100 years ago. Ignorance is the only thing that makes someone pass judgement upon a stranger.
I started smoking to get more breaks at my job (I worked at a restaurant, mega-stress).
"People think it's all about misery and desperation and death and all that [stuff], which is not to be ignored, but what they forget is the pleasure of it. Otherwise we wouldn't do it. After all, we're not stupid. At least, we're not that stupid."
He was talking about heroin, but I think the point also applies here. I enjoy smoking. I love everything about it (except the smell of stale cigarette smoke).
Once they start taxing fast food, then I'll believe the line about governments keeping their people safe and healthy. Obesity is one of the leading preventable causes of death across the country, and people don't have a choice when it comes to whether to eat or not. Make a dollar menu full of healthy food, you know, because its in the government's best interest to keep its population healthy.
The reason cigarettes are so often taxed has everything to do with it being a sin tax, therefore easily hiked without much outcry, and also being an addictive substance, therefore a dependable source of revenue. Even with the tax hike, it still costs more per week to buy nicotine patches and gum.
good luck! it's worth it!
but hard. for years i would find surprise cravings jumping out of nowhere.
believe it or not, i used this philosophy:
if i don't put a cigarette to my lips ever again, i will never smoke one again.
it worked, but i did spend a year purposefully walking behind smokers to get a taste of a little second-hand!
I'm actually in favor of legalization, but cripes, what a ridiculous comparison. Really, drug users are beaten and/or killed? Only when they can't pay their dealer or when committing crimes to support their habit.
And how are those two groups comparable? "I can't help it I use drugs, I was born this way?!"
well it isn;t a difficult thing to do the main problem is my chimney wife.
thanks for the advise
gonna have to buy me some orange juice and start sucking it down.
but in general I;m tired of crappy sinuses, not being able to breath, coughing, smelling and chest cramps and lets not forget the nausea for the 5 min after you smoke.
edit: and heartburn
When I quit, I found that the physical withdrawal wasn't the big problem--it was after all the effects had gone away, and I was bored and going "man, I could've had a cigarette right now." Also, my triggers were really hard on me (getting off the city bus to go to class, getting out of class, etc.) even after weeks of not smoking.
Obviously I relapsed (for reasons I won't go into here), so my quitting wasn't so successful, but I still think its worthwhile to pass that insight on.
Obviously I relapsed (for reasons I won't go into here), so my quitting wasn't so successful, but I still think its worthwhile to pass that insight on.
I'm actually in favor of legalization, but cripes, what a ridiculous comparison. Really, drug users are beaten and/or killed? Only when they can't pay their dealer or when committing crimes to support their habit.
And how are those two groups comparable? "I can't help it I use drugs, I was born this way?!"
I don't mean in every single way. I'm talking about the way someone will prejudge your personality.
yeah, it was the rituals more than the habit. when i say, cravings would pop up, that is what i mean. i'd be sitting at a bar, just ordered another drink, and realize that i was gonna reach for a pack of smokes that wasn't there.
and, lordy-loo, set breaks at a gig!!!!
and, lordy-loo, set breaks at a gig!!!!
p.s. 100 years ago? how about 2004 election cycle? how about last year? how about this year?
whoops, it a reference to the then incubent's use of a "same sex marriage ban" amendment to the constitution as a ploy to win votes.
but, alas, i am going waaay tooo political again....
I figure that if I ever quit, it'd be the long drives that would be most difficult. Aside from after nookie or a good meal, is there a better time for cigarette than behind the wheel?
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