Will this work?

[Zerpersande]

I put new nylon-wrapped strings on my Epiphone Rumblekat. I had the recommended 2 wraps on the E string but I let them wrap pretty much to the bottom of the peg on the others. No problems so far.

then, what would the good exchange rate, I decided to put some Gotoh tuners on. The pegs have a slightly larger diameter than the original ones. But I still ended up with one and a half wraps around the E peg. Still no problems.

Now I found the HipShot Sure Tone and the exchange rate is still good. But according to the measurements for the HipShot the ends of the strings will be moved back by 10mm. That means I will have to take the straight portion of the E string that sticking down inside the peg straighten it out and re-bend it 10 mm closer to the end of the string, giving me steel one and a half wraps on the tuner peg.

Question…. Will I be risking a problem if I try this?

 

[michael_t]

Now I found the HipShot Sure Tone and the exchange rate is still good. But according to the measurements for the HipShot the ends of the strings will be moved back by 10mm. That means I will have to take the straight portion of the E string that sticking down inside the peg straighten it out and re-bend it 10 mm closer to the end of the string, giving me steel one and a half wraps on the tuner peg.

Having only one and a half wraps on the E wouldn't concern me too much. But the part about having to pull back the end out of the hole by 10 mm could be problematic. At least that's not something I would consider doing personally.

 

[michael_t]

I see you're based in Osaka, Japan. That's where I'm originally from!

 

[Zerpersande]

But the part about having to pull back the end out of the hole by 10 mm could be problematic.

Given the cost of that set of strings, AND the fact that I’m not having problems with the current bridge, I’d hate to end up buying a new set of strings.

HOWEVER, I can’t understand the physics of how the length of the vertical portion of the string is that important.

 

[michael_t]

I can’t understand the physics of how the length of the vertical portion of the string is that important.

Straightening and re-bending can result in metal fatigue. Besides, I would feel a little more secure when I know the end is all the way into the hole. I know it's more psychological than anything, but that's just me and my OCD.

 

[newfuture]

IME if you really want to change the tuners or need to remove strings for any other reason, you run the risk of snapping a string or two upon returning to pitch, and that's part of the price of admission. The more you do it to a given set of strings, the greater the risk.

In your specific situation, straightening a string that's got a 90 degree bend is riskier still. Might work, might not, but mentally prepare to buy another set of strings just in case.

 

[Bassamatic]

Wait until you change strings to change the tuners. The bass will not mind.

 

[Zerpersande]

Straightening and re-bending can result in metal fatigue. Besides, I would feel a little more secure when I know the end is all the way into the hole. I know it's more psychological than anything, but that's just me and my OCD.

Ahh, your comment made the potential problem clear. It’s not the straightening and re-bending that is the problem. It’s the re-straightening of the portion that has already been bent. And that part will be under stress on the outside of the peg in the first winding. Will it break? Don’t know. Will it have a greater chance of failing? Yeah, for sure. Not worth the chance. I’ll let the sleeping dog lie.

 

[Killing Floor]

Are you changing your tuning machines more frequently than your strings?

 

[Zerpersande]

Are you changing your tuning machines more frequently than your strings?

No, bought this bass and changed the strings. Then found these tuners. The tuner thing wasn’t any problem.

 

[michael_t]

Wait until you change strings to change the tuners. The bass will not mind.

Are you changing your tuning machines more frequently than your strings?

The OP is talking about getting a new bridge, which by design will pull the ball ends farther away down. The E string only has one and a half wraps on the post and pulling the ball end down to accommodate the new bridge would make it necessary to pull the string off of the tuner and re-wrap it with shorter end in the hole, which could cause issues.

@Zerpersande, am I understanding this right?

 

[Zerpersande]

Yeah, you summed up the situation perfectly!

 

[Zerpersande]

Wait until you change strings to change the tuners. The bass will not mind.

Yeah, that’s the safest way to go. Changing the bridge at this point isn’t worth the risk.

 

[Reedt2000]

Ahh, your comment made the potential problem clear. It’s not the straightening and re-bending that is the problem. It’s the re-straightening of the portion that has already been bent. And that part will be under stress on the outside of the peg in the first winding. Will it break? Don’t know. Will it have a greater chance of failing? Yeah, for sure. Not worth the chance. I’ll let the sleeping dog lie.

Yes, this ^

The spot might be fine... or it might not. Only one way to find out for sure, and it has an element of risk. So, buy the bridge then wait till you change strings next to install it

 

[mdogs]

Yeah, that’s the safest way to go. Changing the bridge at this point isn’t worth the risk.

yes, it’s always a risk, but I put strings on, take them off, put them on another bass, store them for a while all the time. They will eventually fatigue to the point of breaking. But, if you carefully straighten them each time, you can put them on and take them off quite a few times.

 

[HaphAsSard]

I put new nylon-wrapped strings on my Epiphone Rumblekat. I had the recommended 2 wraps on the E string but I let them wrap pretty much to the bottom of the peg on the others. No problems so far.

then, what would the good exchange rate, I decided to put some Gotoh tuners on. The pegs have a slightly larger diameter than the original ones. But I still ended up with one and a half wraps around the E peg. Still no problems.

Now I found the HipShot Sure Tone and the exchange rate is still good. But according to the measurements for the HipShot the ends of the strings will be moved back by 10mm. That means I will have to take the straight portion of the E string that sticking down inside the peg straighten it out and re-bend it 10 mm closer to the end of the string, giving me steel one and a half wraps on the tuner peg.

Question…. Will I be risking a problem if I try this?

If the bridge appeals to you, go for it. You'll most probably be fine.

 

[Zerpersande]

I see you're based in Osaka, Japan. That's where I'm originally from!

I listed Osaka but actually live in the suburbs out in Nara. Only a 20-25 min train ride into the Tsuruhashi or Uehonmachi. Lived in Osaka the first 3 years then had a house built out here. After 35 years I don’t think I could move back to the States. Cultural shock again???

 

[kgbeast]

I put new nylon-wrapped strings on my Epiphone Rumblekat. I had the recommended 2 wraps on the E string but I let them wrap pretty much to the bottom of the peg on the others. No problems so far.

then, what would the good exchange rate, I decided to put some Gotoh tuners on. The pegs have a slightly larger diameter than the original ones. But I still ended up with one and a half wraps around the E peg. Still no problems.

Now I found the HipShot Sure Tone and the exchange rate is still good. But according to the measurements for the HipShot the ends of the strings will be moved back by 10mm. That means I will have to take the straight portion of the E string that sticking down inside the peg straighten it out and re-bend it 10 mm closer to the end of the string, giving me steel one and a half wraps on the tuner peg.

Question…. Will I be risking a problem if I try this?

With E string, even if you have only 5mm in the peg, it should be ok. On the other note, I had about one wrap around the peg once because I made a mistake to cut string too short. That worked perfectly fine as well. In some basses you still get a good break over nut angle and that is more of a why you need several wraps around the peg. Otherwise as long as the string stays in and does not slip is all you need

 

[Zerpersande]

Thanks for all of the responses. The ‘three wrap’ thing always seemed arbitrary to me. Two would seem adequate so why NOT add a third, there’s plenty of space. One video/article I found said they make a game of seeing how close they can come to the bottom. But they stressed NOT going beyond that. And other sources pointed out the similar no-no of not overlapping the strings.

But the only objective experiences are with those that violated the rules and everything still worked. Another pointed out that you pays your nickel and you takes your chances. Now I’m leaning toward risking the $35 just to have an interesting conclusion to this thread.

 

[HelpImaRock]

Thanks for all of the responses. The ‘three wrap’ thing always seemed arbitrary to me. Two would seem adequate so why NOT add a third, there’s plenty of space. One video/article I found said they make a game of seeing how close they can come to the bottom. But they stressed NOT going beyond that. And other sources pointed out the similar no-no of not overlapping the strings.

But the only objective experiences are with those that violated the rules and everything still worked. Another pointed out that you pays your nickel and you takes your chances. Now I’m leaning toward risking the $35 just to have an interesting conclusion to this thread.

If you can get the Hipshot bridge for $35 do it. The worst thing that happens is you buy new strings.