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Willcox Bass Club (Lightwave)

Okay, received my new Saber HexFx on Friday! I believe I may the very first person to get one of these HexFX with the new body design. I ordered the original version of it about 6 weeks ago, and was informed that this newer body style was replacing the old one. The production hadn't quite finished yet, so I had to wait the extra few weeks. Overall, it's a nice looking instrument. Below is a down and dirty quick pic from my phone of it out in front of my bass family.
I bought this bass primarily to use as a bass to run synth and midi through a Roland GR-55 (in conjunction with a couple of other synth modules I have). If you notice directly behind the HexFx is a bass that has a GK-3B pickup system on it. I was not satisfied with the performance of that system. It had a lot of issues with latency, tracking, and false triggering of notes when trying to use midi functions.
So, here's my quick initial review of the HexFx, mostly dealing with it's use for midi triggering:
The HexFX is proving to be much more capable of transmitting a clean signal for midi functionality than the bass equipped with the GK-3B pickup system. The tracking is far better and latency is pretty much non-existent. I am still having some issues with the occasional false triggering of notes. This happens every now and then, and is usually due to string muting issues... a small sympathetic string vibration or harmonic that isn't perfectly muted, will sometimes get picked up as a note and transmitted as midi information and trigger a "false note". I've mitigated it a bit by tweaking the parameters in the GR-55, particularly regarding adjustment of the string sensitivity settings. This has help somewhat, but I am also going to be trying a couple of other solutions:
First, I have a Gruvgear Fretwrap string mute coming in the mail like this:
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Hopefully that will work to dampen some of the the inadvertent string vibrations.
Secondly, I'm fully aware that some of the issue could be reduced by better muting techniques. Generally my muting technique isn't too bad, but there is a design issue with this bass that I am not used to. Being that there are no magnetic pickups on out, I have no where to rest my right hand's thumb. I am used to resting my thumb on the pickup as I play, usually plucking with my index and middle fingers, while my pinky, ring finger, and thumb assist with muting strings. Without a place to rest my thumb, particularly when plucking the B and E strings, my technique is really off. So, long story short, I plan to build either a thumb-rest or finger ramp to help with this issue.
Overall I'm pretty satisfied with how it is functioning, and hopefully with those few tweaks it will be 100% what I'm after.
The bass is very comfortable to play. Build quality is superb, nice comfortable neck, action didn't require any adjustment (low with no buzzing). The pure sound from the bass is very clear and clean, lots of sustain, just as described.
I will try to post some video soon showing off the midi and synth functions.
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I got a 4 string hexfx saber on Thursday. I'm having some trouble with it though. I followed their video to configure the gr55 settings, and for some reason the E string doesn't work. All the strings sound fine if im playing through the 1/4" output, but there is no midi signal for the E string.

Also, in the sensitivity tab on the gr55 the strings are out of order i think.
H-no signal
1-noisy, but nothing happens when I play
2-G string
3-D string
4-A string
L-no signal

I sent them an email Thursday night, but I haven't gotten a response. They said they do a 10 day quality control on their hardware and electronics, so I imagine there must be something I'm doing wrong. Any advice, yall?
 
I got a 4 string hexfx saber on Thursday. I'm having some trouble with it though. I followed their video to configure the gr55 settings, and for some reason the E string doesn't work. All the strings sound fine if im playing through the 1/4" output, but there is no midi signal for the E string.

Also, in the sensitivity tab on the gr55 the strings are out of order i think.
H-no signal
1-noisy, but nothing happens when I play
2-G string
3-D string
4-A string
L-no signal

I sent them an email Thursday night, but I haven't gotten a response. They said they do a 10 day quality control on their hardware and electronics, so I imagine there must be something I'm doing wrong. Any advice, yall?

Just quickly off the top of my head (I am not in front of my Gr-55 or HexFx right now)...is your Gr-55 set to "Bass" mode? If so, do you have a 1/4" plugged into your HexFx output while using the 13 Pin cable? The bass won't power up and the 13 Pin won't output, unless there is something plugged into the normal phono output plug on the bass. It took me a while (and some frustration) to figure that out when I got my bass. This is stated in the instruction manual, but it isn't very prominent.
Another issue may be inside the electronics compartment of the bass. There is a daughter board for the HexFX, that sits on top of the motherboard. You have to pull up on it to remove it. On the underside of the daughterboard, there are toggles for each string that have to be in the correct configuration for either synth output or fan-out output. Refer to the instruction manual that came with the bass on the proper position.
 
Yah, needing a 1/4" threw me for a loop at first. Unfortunately, that isn't my issue. Also, I am in bass mode.

As for the 6 slide dip switch, the manual says they're supposed to be off, and they are all off. All of the switches seem in order.

Edit: I even double checked the optical setup and made some adjustments. It almost seems obvious now. It's gotta be the 13 pin cable. I wonder how I would test the continuity for that...

edit 2: Bingo GK 13 pin Cable Maintenance Tips.
 
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I'll go ahead and post what fixed my issue in case someone else runs into the same problem. There are several different 4 string selections in the GK settings. #2 is the right one.

Excellent!...glad you got it fixed. The GR-55 is a great device, but it does have a large learning curve and lots of hidden settings. I'm still figuring things out.
I'm currently trying to figure out how to run midi thru on the GR-55 from a keyboard to my computer. Tried to figure it out only own today, but looks like I'm going to have to hit up some internet forums.
 
What do TI Jazz flats sound like on a Saber VL? Does the fact that the bass introduces harmonics you are not likely to hear on a magnetic bass take away from the idea they are flatwounds?
Thanks for posting this, I was just about to ask similar questions. The bass I got came with roundwouds, and I too am curious as to what others have experimented with string-wise. Wonering how much different flats or tapewounds, for example, sound.
 
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Thanks for posting this, I was just about to ask similar questions. The bass I got came with roundwouds, and I too am curious as to what others have experimented with string-wise. Wonering how much different flats or tapewounds, for example, sound.

I have a VL fretless, it came with Labella whites. I wasn't a fan of that and actually have Bronze Phosphor on there now.

The guy I bought my bass from tried several different strings. Read his for sale post: SOLD - Lightwave Saber VL Lined Fretless 5 String
 
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Just curious, what was it about the coated strings you didn't get along with as opposed to the phospors?

I was used to rounds and have Dean Markley SR2000 on my Saber SL. With the VL fretless, I just wasn't getting the zing and piano tone I was used to on my SL. I had a spare set of Bronze Phosphor that I wasn't going to use on my ABG, so I put them on the Saber VL. Very bright and zingy. I like them. :)

Guess I am not not a huge fan of rounds or tapes. Saying that, I have D'Addario Tapes on my Michael Kelly Dragonfly fretless. I wanted that bass to be more thumpy. I have flats on my Ibanez Portamento SRF706. That is what came on it and I like them well enough on that bass.
 
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I was used to rounds and have Dean Markley SR2000 on my Saber SR. With the VR fretless, I just wasn't getting the zing and piano tone I was used to on my SR. I had a spare set of Bronze Phosphor that I wasn't going to use on my ABG, so I put them on the Saber VR. Very bright and zingy. I like them. :)

Guess I am not not a huge fan of rounds or tapes. Saying that, I have D'Addario Tapes on my Michael Kelly Dragonfly fretless. I wanted that bass to be more thumpy. I have flats on my Ibanez Portamento SRF706. That is what came on it and I like them well enough on that bass.
I understand. How do you feel about the charging process too? Is that a pain or don’t you notice it after a while?

When I get a Saber Fretless VL, I wanna put TI Jazz Flats on it, but after having read your Saber’s previous owners review of the LaBella White Tapes, he’s thrown me a bit with the ‘bell like tone’ from them. Ugh.
 
I understand. How do you feel about the charging process too? Is that a pain or don’t you notice it after a while?

When I get a Saber Fretless VL, I wanna put TI Jazz Flats on it, but after having read your Saber’s previous owners review of the LaBella White Tapes, he’s thrown me a bit with the ‘bell like tone’ from them. Ugh.

I sold Kirk the Sabre fretless VL. What is it that you want to know about strings on the VL?
 
I sold Kirk the Sabre fretless VL. What is it that you want to know about strings on the VL?
Oh damn. That was a surprise appearance, out of nowhere.

I’m just a bit thrown as to what strings to potentially put on my Saber when I get it. I always heard TI Jazz Flats to be kind of roundwound-like in terms of the mids they have, but with added ‘oomph’ from the low mids and lows. With the transparency of the pickup on the Saber, I didn’t know whether the sound of the flats would be ever brighter.

I read that you described the white tapes as being almost bell like in clarity-something which I thought the TI’s had oodles of. I’d just like an idea of how you’d compare the two strings tone wise and which one would be better in a mix.
 
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I understand. How do you feel about the charging process too? Is that a pain or don’t you notice it after a while?

When I get a Saber Fretless VL, I wanna put TI Jazz Flats on it, but after having read your Saber’s previous owners review of the LaBella White Tapes, he’s thrown me a bit with the ‘bell like tone’ from them. Ugh.

I don't find the charging process tedious or anything. When I am playing a lot, I just come home and plug in to the charger. I usually have a problem when I am not using one of them for a while and forget about it. Right now, I have been liking my Dingwall for about a month and before that, it was my new Portamento. The VL should come up soon on the rotation.

I have had a few times when I forgot to charge and had to plug it in while I was playing. You can do that, but I don't really recommend it. I have noticed that a completely quiet bass can pick up some electrical hum plugged in to the charger. In a loud band or at practice it probably wouldn't be noticed, but at church between songs, yeah.

One thing that is a little more time consuming is if you change strings from a tapered to non-tapered string. You will have to do a complete setup of the bridge and intonation, which would be the same on another bass, but on the Lightwave, you have the added task of re-aligning the pickups. Not difficult, but it is for sure another step... but you won't want to skimp on it.
 
Oh damn. That was a surprise appearance, out of nowhere.

I’m just a bit thrown as to what strings to potentially put on my Saber when I get it. I always heard TI Jazz Flats to be kind of roundwound-like in terms of the mids they have, but with added ‘oomph’ from the low mids and lows. With the transparency of the pickup on the Saber, I didn’t know whether the sound of the flats would be ever brighter.

I read that you described the white tapes as being almost bell like in clarity-something which I thought the TI’s had oodles of. I’d just like an idea of how you’d compare the two strings tone wise and which one would be better in a mix.

The white tapes are what I would call crystalline: clarity through out the spectrum, but without the metallic overtones of a metal string. The TIs also have clarity through out the spectrum, but also have a slight metallic edge to them. I think the choice is between a string that has that metallic edge or not. Both work well on the VL. Which would work better in the mix would depend on what other instruments are also in it, and the type of music. If there is enough room in the upper frequencies for the white tapes with the crystal highs to come through clearly they might work well, particularly if you solo. The TIs might be better in a more common acoustic setting, and they are very sweet on the VL.
The motto of Lightwave is "The Sound of the String" and that is very accurate; each type of string will have its own sound and nuances that the infrared semsors will clearly pick up.
 
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Hello fellow Willcox Lightwave enthusiasts... will be posting some pics and asking for club membership in the next week or two. Just thought I would pop in and say hi. I was planning on acquiring a few different basses over time, but decided instead to just go all out and buy a bass a bit above my means and certainly not justified by my playing skill level. I am hoping that I stay inspired and content to just focus on my incoming custom 6 string zebrawood fretted and continue to play around with my much older (purchased used a few months ago) fretless 4 string, which I do plan to eventually upgrade to a new VL 5 Fretless at some point next year. Anyways, super psyched about the new incoming 6 string and will post pics when I get everything together. Thanks to @kirkdickinson for finding me wandering around on this site and letting me know about this club.
 
Hello fellow Willcox Lightwave enthusiasts... will be posting some pics and asking for club membership in the next week or two. Just thought I would pop in and say hi. I was planning on acquiring a few different basses over time, but decided instead to just go all out and buy a bass a bit above my means and certainly not justified by my playing skill level. I am hoping that I stay inspired and content to just focus on my incoming custom 6 string zebrawood fretted and continue to play around with my much older (purchased used a few months ago) fretless 4 string, which I do plan to eventually upgrade to a new VL 5 Fretless at some point next year. Anyways, super psyched about the new incoming 6 string and will post pics when I get everything together. Thanks to @kirkdickinson for finding me wandering around on this site and letting me know about this club.

Welcome!
 

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