Wireless Systems.

[Clammy]

im curious would the line 6 g50 be an upgrade to my sennheiser ew 172 g2 wireless system ??? The only thing i dont like about the line 6 wireless is the cable doesnt lock in like on my sennheiser

Actually, the cable on the G50 transmitter does lock in (to the transmitter, not the insturment output jack). It uses a TA4F connector. I got some custom upgraded cables made for mine, because the stock cable is too short and has a straight plug, whereas I need a 90 degree, and it's always good to have spares just in case.

The big advantage of the G50 to the Sennheiser is that the G50 is digital, so you'll never have to worry about interference or the frequencies being sold off, rendering the unit useless. There's no compander - the sound is the same as using a cable.

Cheers!

 

[georgestrings]

I semi-recently bought the G30 over the G50 because I liked it has a 1/4 connector on the transmitter.

but it could disconnect possibly....hopefully not :O

Yeah, *to me* the 1/4" cable is not an advantage... Sure, they're more readily available, but they're heavier and don't lock in... In over 4 years of gigging an average of 4-5x per month, I've went thru 2 trans cables - considering the abuse they've been thru, I don't have a problem with that... In fact, I've been thru 1 transmitter already - because a singer got his hand caught in the cable, and yanked the jack completely out of the transmitter... My X2/Line6 suff has been put to the test, and come thru remarkably well...


- georgestrings

 

[georgestrings]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bassragerstitch
im curious would the line 6 g50 be an upgrade to my sennheiser ew 172 g2 wireless system ??? The only thing i dont like about the line 6 wireless is the cable doesnt lock in like on my sennheiser

i would imagine its not an upgrade. comparing the units it seems like the sennheiser is better. any problems with it?

What are you basing that comparison on??? I've compared the two side by side, and the Line6 stuff carries low end better - probably because it has increased transmission frequency range over the Sennheiser, is digital, and doesn't compand like the 172 does...


- georgestrings

 

[Atlanta Dave]

I bought a Wi Jangus Music digital wireless 2 months ago (<$200) and am happy. I've used it as a wireless for my 4-string passive Fender P and active Musicman SUB.

Great idea for checking FOH sound at a 125-person club, not sure how it'd be in a live situation walking into the crowd, but imagine the same and has good range, Jangus claims 100-feet. I walked out of our practice basement and into the backyard about 50-feet past cinderblock walls and it didn't miss a beat.

I normally use the Jangus Wi as part of my in-ear setup and it works really well here. In fact it's great. In this situation you make your earbuds/in ear monitors a receiver and transmit from your amp headphones out or board out. I use a Rolls PM 351 headphones out that I picked up on TB! My in-ears are the Shure SE215.

If you want to do both at the same time (wireless bass AND in-ear) you'll need an additional receiver. I have not gone that route yet, but for another $100 I might try it.

Advantages: rechargeable built in battery, teeny tiny xmit and receiver that you barely notice, positive, reliable and easy digital linking, no static, individual volume controls (make sure to turn them both up!). Universal USB charging. Easy to understand controls and indicator lights. No buzz at club venue. Comes with all the cables you'll probably ever need and then some. Cheap.

Disadvantages: Must turn volume up on xmitter and receiver but there's no visual indication of the volume level, just arrows on the control. Must remember to change from Active to Passive mode if needed (but this is simple to do and a blue blinking light alerts you to each mode. It also remembers the last mode you set). Unknown long-term reliability. Noticed slight buzz at our basement practice area but that could also be the ancient ungrounded wiring or lights.

I've posted a few times about this gear but nobody's written an extensive review yet so hope this helps. Atlanta Dave

I am very curious about the Wi Digital Systems too. I was about to get one then a stroke of bad luck my computer gave out and I had to buy a warranty.

 

[gnjpowell]

Been using the Samson AirLine Synth Guitar System for over a year now and it is absolutely FANTASTIC!

Samson AirLine Synth Guitar System | Sweetwater.com

The integral plug-in transmitter is just great, no silly wires or belt-pack to deal with. The 1/4 phone plug easily converts from front plug-in (Strat-style) or side plug-in (Gibson-style) in seconds and with no tools. The AA battery lasts for weeks at a time. Did I mention the GREAT SOUND? I see no reason anyone would bother with the archaic belt-pack type "wireless" with the reasonable price of this system. Quiet enough to use in church. Beats the heck out of cables!

 

[hopturn]

one last thing....for atlanta dave...is there any latency with this product?

 

[mpapi]

I have a 5 string and have a Shure dual antenna model which works very well. It's an older model. I need to look it up when I get home.

 

[jeffroloc]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bassragerstitch
im curious would the line 6 g50 be an upgrade to my sennheiser ew 172 g2 wireless system ??? The only thing i dont like about the line 6 wireless is the cable doesnt lock in like on my sennheiser

What are you basing that comparison on??? I've compared the two side by side, and the Line6 stuff carries low end better - probably because it has increased transmission frequency range over the Sennheiser, is digital, and doesn't compand like the 172 does...

- georgestrings

my comparison was simply eyeball comparison definitely not by personal usage so I'll take your word over mine. i also like the digital setup and would also go with the line 6 for that reason. however my experience with sennheiser equipment has been successful. you mention low frequency transmission, the sennheiser fails to do so? just curious

 

[Atlanta Dave]

No prob Hopturn.

Couldn't tell about any tone issues, Fender P sounded like a P and the Musicman SUB sounded great too. Jangus claims 15Hz to 20kHz and no issues. It all sounds a little different to me anyway when you are walking the house instead of standing on stage next to your familiar cab. But I am not an expert.

For my in-ear setup during practice I have the receiver in my pocket hooked to my Shure 215 earbuds. The transmitter is plugged into the Rolls 351 headphone out. My vocal mic is routed through the Rolls in/out, the mixing board is routed from the board to the Rolls input and my bass amp (GK 400 or 800) is Direct Out to the Rolls.

No longer going deaf from the rest of the band and hey, I can hear myself!

Haven't rigged up BOTH my bass and in-ears at the same time because I just have one pair of Jangus Wi transmitter / receiver.

Check their site or call them but guessing if you want to go total wireless AND hear FOH sound: Xmitter from bass. Y-connector mini-jack cord with pair of 1/4 inch plugs (supplied) at Receiver #1: one 1/4 inch goes to your amp, the second 1/4 inch to Rolls PM 351 or similar (or board). Additional Receiver #2 in your pocket goes to your in-ears.

Jangus claims battery lasts 4 - 6 hours between charges. I can verify they're on target and a complete recharge doesn't take very long though I didn't time it. UPDATE: They recharged from our last live show while I was responding to these few mssgs, about an hour!

Pretty sure I can also use it as a wireless audio link for my digital SLR videos. I'm a photojournalist in real life, so the multimedia possibilities make it a versatile piece, YMMV.

Not sure why more folks haven't reported in on the Wi digital. I got mine from Zzounds in December and am happy with it, especially for the price.

hey atlanta dave, nice review. i'm new to this wireless game, but i'm interested in checking FOH mix BADLY. does it suck any tone, especially lows? also, could you please elaborate on your method for using the bass transmitter for in-ear monitoring ( i play an EUB, so i NEED this!!!) would i be wearing a transmitter for the bass and reciever coming back from my amp or what?

thanks for the review too. i like digital. i trust digital these days, and since i usually have a laptop at every gig it would work well together.

 

[hopturn]

just a thought...but have you thought about nixing the headphone amp and just going from your tuner out (or some such amp out) into the transmitter and then to your headphones? i wouldn't need to be wireless onstage so i'd probably just use your set up. man, i thought i was done buying equipment but i think i'm going to have to go for this. a fretless player's dream come true?

 

[georgestrings]

my comparison was simply eyeball comparison definitely not by personal usage so I'll take your word over mine. i also like the digital setup and would also go with the line 6 for that reason. however my experience with sennheiser equipment has been successful. you mention low frequency transmission, the sennheiser fails to do so? just curious

The Sennheiser doesn't transmit down as low as the Line6 stuff does, but I don't think that's the only reason why it doesn't have the same low end as the Line6 stuff does - the companding ICs are likely a part of that difference... I could definitely tell the difference between the e172 and a cable, whereas there was no detectable difference between the XDR-95 and a cable...


- georgestrings

 

[georgestrings]

Been using the Samson AirLine Synth Guitar System for over a year now and it is absolutely FANTASTIC!

Samson AirLine Synth Guitar System | Sweetwater.com

The integral plug-in transmitter is just great, no silly wires or belt-pack to deal with. The 1/4 phone plug easily converts from front plug-in (Strat-style) or side plug-in (Gibson-style) in seconds and with no tools. The AA battery lasts for weeks at a time. Did I mention the GREAT SOUND? I see no reason anyone would bother with the archaic belt-pack type "wireless" with the reasonable price of this system. Quiet enough to use in church. Beats the heck out of cables!

Simple - the Samson "bug" style do not sound as good as the digital X2/Line6 stuff, and I've seen the "bug" cause problems in some active basses - particularly with highly active players... One local player has resorted to gaff taping his bug to his bass - in short, I'll stick to an "archaic" transmitter that's no bigger than a pack of smokes, sits easily in my back pocket, and works better than a "bug" - YMMV...


- georgestrings

 

[marmadaddy]

I've been happy with the Line 6 G30 with the exception of the poor physical design of the transmitter. It's hit the floor a couple of times on me. If you get one (and I'd buy it again) a Neotech wireless pouch or something similiar is a must.

I was about to pull the trigger on a Carvin IEM system but the Wi AudioLink is looking intriguing as a low cost solution.

 

[Bassragerstitch]

I've never had any issues with my sennheiser, except the cable from the body pack to my bass is acting funny so im gonna make a new one soon.

 

[georgestrings]

I've never had any issues with my sennheiser, except the cable from the body pack to my bass is acting funny so im gonna make a new one soon.

That happens with all brands that use that cable type - they work well, but don't last forever... They've all lasted what I consider to be a reasonable amout of time, though - atleast 100 or more four hour gigs, including alot of thrashing and generally throwing my basses around... The ones Line6 sells for under $20 have provided such service life for me - I look at it as a very reasonable cost of doing business... I play in an active 2 guitar modern rock/metal band, and need the freedom of movement that a quality wireless affords me - I'm not going back to a cable...

IME, the Sennheiser e172 is a quality unit - just not quite as good as the Line6 stuff, and that's not even considering FCC issues...


- georgestrings

 

[bassgod76]

I love my G50. I was really skeptical about a wireless and tone loss. This unit put all my fears to rest. The battery life is really impressive. The only thing I did buy to make it better was the Shure angled transmitter jack.

 

[code911]

Line6 G30 for me also with no tone loss. I had tried samson, sennhieser and nady but didn't like the sound. Been using the g30 since december 2011 (about 15 shows or so) and never had an issue. I like that the battery strength for the bodypack is displayed on the receiver, displayed in 3 green led bar

 

[hip63]

G30 here, LOVE IT, and about the 1/4 jack:

A: very secure on mine, no worries at all.

B: allows you to use the cable of your choosing (I use a Monster Cable Bass cable) instead of relying on a sometimes flimsy and always proprietary cable that may be hard to replace on short notice.

The G30 has a 100 foot range, are you planning on playing bigger stages than that anytime soon? If so then yeah, the G50 or up would be better, if not then the G30 should be fine.

EDIT: I also found a cell phone belt holder that works great for my G30 instead relying on the built in clip (which I removed). It's also padded so it protects my G30 in the unlikely event holder comes loose.

hip63

 

[LCBurt]

G50 for me, love it. Bought the shure angled cable for 20 bucks from sweetwater and it has been flawless so far.

Great tone, solid transmitter with a very nice clip, excellent battery life. Sorry if it sounds like I work for line6 (I don't) but this unit has really impressed me. If I had to buy another wireless G50 would be it for shure.

If I remember correctly the latency time is equal to standing about four feet further from your cabinet.

 

[rzpooch]

I've been using a Shure PGX wireless for about 5 years. Never a problem!