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Double Bass with AI we are all redundant ....
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@Jaygetsreal
I don’t agree with AI replacing us just yet. Your second sentence nailed
Just a wee bit too mechanical sounding in feel.
I don’t agree with AI replacing us just yet. Your second sentence nailed
Just a wee bit too mechanical sounding in feel.
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Like I said the other day, you can buy a new Honda sedan and drive 400 miles before lunch while sitting in 70 degree comfort, hardly feeling any vibrations, while listening to a selection of "entertainment music-like product", and step out of the car after 400 miles with basically no fatigue, and yet there are still people who RIDE HORSES.
Human activity is distinct from machine activity. As machines become capable of more and more, we're going to have to realize that when a machine is used to simulate human activity, it's still not human activity. So the "music-like commercial sound product" (see, for example, Taylor Swift), is not the same thing as what actual humans playing actual instruments in real time do. It's like the difference between the "Nutrition tablet" and a steak.
Whether or not a machine can do X is largely irrelevant to me.
Human activity is distinct from machine activity. As machines become capable of more and more, we're going to have to realize that when a machine is used to simulate human activity, it's still not human activity. So the "music-like commercial sound product" (see, for example, Taylor Swift), is not the same thing as what actual humans playing actual instruments in real time do. It's like the difference between the "Nutrition tablet" and a steak.
Whether or not a machine can do X is largely irrelevant to me.
Before anyone gets too serious here, please notice in what forum this was posted.
Thanks!
- Lee
Thanks!
- Lee
The Bass Robot is now complaining that the Drum Robot is playing too loud and is rushing...
To paraphrase Joe Walsh, until an AI can trash a hotel room and toss a TV out of the 15th floor, landing in the dead center of the pool, there will always be a need for musicians.
As always, the solution is to fire the drummer… This might be a good time
When I got into computers as a hobbyist in the 70s, people had already been talking about AI for about 20 years. Throughout my career in computers the talk continued, with burps and hiccups about it here and there. The Terminator movies came out and always caused some extra excitement about it, but really nothing big happened regarding AI throughout my 40+ year career in computers. Lots of hype, but nothing big.
Simply put, AI is just an expansion of a computer's decision making capability. If w then x, if x, then y; if y, then z, etc... It isn't magic. It's based on lots and lots of decisions programmed by lots and lots of programmers, decisions based on data created by lots of people inside and outside of the computer industry, including you and I as computer users. AI has no mind of its own, no soul, no particular inclination, no inner source of inspiration or power. It is not "self-aware" and as far as I can imagine based on the foundations of computers, it never will be.
And, if you pull the plug, it stops. People don't often think about it nowadays, but there are a huge number of dependencies to having computers and cell phones and an online presence and all the computerized gadgets and conveniences we have today. If you don't believe it, this is and has been illustrated in real life in many countries that have suffered through catastrophes and wars. The first thing that goes is technology, because it's so easy to stop. Pull one of many "plugs", and it all stops, immediately.
Serious institutions know this and many keep and maintain their own power plants to depend on. They also employ serious minded folks to create realistic plans to help continue work as soon as possible during and after a catastrophe.
I wouldn't worry about AI taking over. I would worry about people becoming over dependent on technology in general and being unprepared to live without it. And I would also worry about bad actors taking control of technology to mislead populations and to enhance their own wealth and power.
From what I've seen of live music for the last 50+ years, there's nothing that computers, including AI, can do that can duplicate the random spontaneity and cohesiveness that people put into music, even just singing in the shower.
Simply put, AI is just an expansion of a computer's decision making capability. If w then x, if x, then y; if y, then z, etc... It isn't magic. It's based on lots and lots of decisions programmed by lots and lots of programmers, decisions based on data created by lots of people inside and outside of the computer industry, including you and I as computer users. AI has no mind of its own, no soul, no particular inclination, no inner source of inspiration or power. It is not "self-aware" and as far as I can imagine based on the foundations of computers, it never will be.
And, if you pull the plug, it stops. People don't often think about it nowadays, but there are a huge number of dependencies to having computers and cell phones and an online presence and all the computerized gadgets and conveniences we have today. If you don't believe it, this is and has been illustrated in real life in many countries that have suffered through catastrophes and wars. The first thing that goes is technology, because it's so easy to stop. Pull one of many "plugs", and it all stops, immediately.
Serious institutions know this and many keep and maintain their own power plants to depend on. They also employ serious minded folks to create realistic plans to help continue work as soon as possible during and after a catastrophe.
I wouldn't worry about AI taking over. I would worry about people becoming over dependent on technology in general and being unprepared to live without it. And I would also worry about bad actors taking control of technology to mislead populations and to enhance their own wealth and power.
From what I've seen of live music for the last 50+ years, there's nothing that computers, including AI, can do that can duplicate the random spontaneity and cohesiveness that people put into music, even just singing in the shower.
So I'll just say that the video clip is not necessarily a demo of AI, but of physical robots manipulating instruments made for humans. The actual control program could have been made by a team of people, with and no real thinking is involved by the robots. Think of a "player piano" and the scrolls.
Oh of course - we don't have anything to fear from them until they decide of their own accord to learn to build and play an instrument that sounds in the bass register. I wonder when AI will develop an appreciation for music.
But hmm, does playing a large wooden box strung with gut or steel demonstrate real thinking? Are any of us guilty of that - if we were, wouldn't we be playing a sensible instrument like the guitar? How easy that would be to transport!
No need to fear being made redundant by AI robots...for we have gone around the loop of logic and found that they are us.
