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Woman Profiled on 9/11

Jazzy AdThe only reason you don't see men in arms in US airports or stations is because US Army can't operate on your soil. It isn't a disturbance to anyone and they are efficient at keeping things under control.

Just not true, While Posse Cometatus prevents the Armed Forces from operating with the exception of insurrection inside the country. We have plenty of internal security that possess full auto Weapons. From local police dept Swat teams, to the National guard. The Secret Service carry them in almost every escort situation. If the authorities that be thought it was necessary it would not be illegal. I use to work for the H & K distributor to Police departments in the Mid-west, and I took several orders for MP5's in-between the ATF, SS, and local police departments.
 
Sorry, but I have a rough time believing all of that.

I live in the highest security place in the US, and Homeland security and the FBI just don't waste their time like that. Their display would kinda heighten any danger also, don't ya think.

And I can be totally wrong. But I don't think I am. People blog, and people believe. It's on the internet, it must be true. I'd have to see a credible news report, or other passenger's responses before I gave it any credibility.
 
Sorry, but I have a rough time believing all of that.

I live in the highest security place in the US, and Homeland security and the FBI just don't waste their time like that. Their display would kinda heighten any danger also, don't ya think.

And I can be totally wrong. But I don't think I am. People blog, and people believe. It's on the internet, it must be true. I'd have to see a credible news report, or other passenger's responses before I gave it any credibility.

Oh sure, come in here and be all rational.
 
The only reason you don't see men in arms in US airports or stations is because US Army can't operate on your soil. It isn't a disturbance to anyone and they are efficient at keeping things under control.

Security in Europe is tighter -it always has been, terrorism has been a threat for decades around here- but the way USA enforce it is way more intrusive and disturbing to the traveler. This too always has been, even before 9/11.

Any young European will tell you that when first travelling to USA they shat their pants when arriving at Kennedy. Authorities there are firm, rude and unwelcoming.
For example, I never heard about a cavity search happening in European airport. It is a completely useless and truamatizing procedure that can easily be avoided by x-ray scanning, which is available in all airports.

For an update on who can/has, Google:

Posse Comitatus Act, 2011
 
These are difficult situations, but there's a major disconnect between the news story and the blog. I remember hearing these stories about people taking "an extraordinarily long time in the bathroom", and no mention of that is made in the blog at all. If anything, the woman was pulled in because she was sitting next to the two men.

Profiling is tough...but to some degree, profiling is necessary. Red-headed guys with freckles and Texas accents are not noted for participating in Muslim terrorist activity. Maybe they participate in other groups. 80-year-old grandmothers named Swensen are also not noted for terrorist activity. Men of certain ethnic backgrounds in certain age groups ARE noted for such activity, and women of similar ethnic backgrounds are also occasionally involved.

If you have to be looking, look where the odds favor finding something. This lady was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the men she happened to be seated with were falsely accused by someone who was more than a little paranoid. But the context of that false accusation, although regrettable, is also understandable.
 
Sorry, but I have a rough time believing all of that.

I live in the highest security place in the US, and Homeland security and the FBI just don't waste their time like that. Their display would kinda heighten any danger also, don't ya think.

And I can be totally wrong. But I don't think I am. People blog, and people believe. It's on the internet, it must be true. I'd have to see a credible news report, or other passenger's responses before I gave it any credibility.

At the very least she had a flair for the dramatic. A couple of hours in jail and she's reflecting on Malcolm X's prison time.:rolleyes:

I'l bet she could write a great emo song though.:D
 
Finished it and I still don't understand. She was questioned for like an hour. Big whoop.

What are they supposed to do? If someone reports suspicious behavior they have to check it out.

That Malcolm X line cracked me up though. "He began writing furiously bettering himself, as did I by writing this blog post."
 
Hope you guys enjoy those "freedom" that us "poor" euro's are missing out on . . .

Really...? :rolleyes: Because we all know racial profiling or discrimination doesn't exist in Europe.

I'm an International Affairs Major at a international College in Brussels and it's very interesting to hear what kind of bs non-europeans have to deal with. A friend from Sierra Leone and her mother can't find a new new house simply bc they are black, a Canadian friend (she's dark skinned) couldn't travel to the UK bc her passport expired while that didn't seem to matter for a white girl from the US who did the same thing. They admitted she didn't fit the "profile" so she was allowed to enter the UK. A landlord in Brussels proudly told me of his policy of not renting to Muslims and Africans. I could go on for hours...

Any young European will tell you that when first travelling to USA they shat their pants when arriving at Kennedy. Authorities there are firm, rude and unwelcoming.

I don't think they are necessarily different from airport security anywhere else. In my experience, they tend to be rude and unwelcoming, whether it's London, Paris or New York.


And Christians can be terrorists. Profiling is useless.

Who said that ? Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that most terrorist acts in recent years were committed by Muslims.
 
Really...? :rolleyes: Because we all know racial profiling or discrimination doesn't exist in Europe.

I'm an International Affairs Major at a international College in Brussels and it's very interesting to hear what kind of bs non-europeans have to deal with. A friend from Sierra Leone and her mother can't find a new new house simply bc they are black, a Canadian friend (she's dark skinned) couldn't travel to the UK bc her passport expired while that didn't seem to matter for a white girl from the US who did the same thing. They admitted she didn't fit the "profile" so she was allowed to enter the UK. A landlord in Brussels proudly told me of his policy of not renting to Muslims and Africans. I could go on for hours...

I never said it didn't. I would say it is less common in Europe.

The difference is we are honest about the blurred boundaries of security and personal liberties. We don't wave this flag of freedom over everything else. Just days ago US members were claiming France and other EU countries were on a slide into fascist regimes because of hate speech laws.

I just think there is a major dislocation between American ideology, and reality. The freedoms and equalities claimed to be present, at times, seem to be nothing more than patriotic propaganda, paper, not substance. To quote a quote made by another member:

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

-Benjamin Franklin

Can you say that is anywhere near true in these times?

Your friend from Sierra Leone, where is she trying to get a house? Many countries are apt to keeping council/government housing schemes for local or EU citizens. Also, regarding getting into the country with an expired passport, the work of foreign embassies comes into play there, not race. The US girl must have gotten very lucky and had a hand getting into the country. You'd struggle to get into any country with an expired passport, regardless of race. Point of origin may lend a hand in how likely you are to get through certain countries, but that isn't a question of race.

I'm sure you could go on for hours, doesn't change the point that the US Constitution & Bill of Rights are seeming more and more like a paper tigers in terms of actual power.


Well, that's because you've got that Northern Ireland situation going on. I don't believe the same could be said for the rest of Europe, except the recent Norwegian atrocity.

That may be, but it highlights that it isn't isolated to one faith, let alone one race. Look at Richard Reid, he wasn't middle eastern. What about Timothy McVeigh?

With the apparent increase in religious radicalism with some faiths has seen the increase with others. Various other far rights of different faiths seem to be on the rise, and I'm willing to bet that Norway isn't going to be the only case of it's kind that we see. (heck, the last general election in the UK saw a massive increase in votes for a notorious far-right political party with known fascist and racist ideals, which I find more worrying than any potential terrorism).

I'll agree that the woman with her blog is probably hamming it up a bit (as I said in my OP, "If it is real . . ."). As for racial profiling being useful, they just profiled two Indian men, who would most likely be Hindu, generally not a group who fit into the western terrorist profile.
 
Well, that's because you've got that Northern Ireland situation going on. I don't believe the same could be said for the rest of Europe, except the recent Norwegian atrocity.

Terrorism in Europe is usually from ethnic-separatist groups: IRA-ETA-Corsica.

Of course, the media-fuelled perception is that its all Islamists - probably because they are easier to identify as "other".

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Last year I was getting on a plane coming back from Miami. Right before we got on the plane a bunch of guards came into the terminal and said, "We apologize for the inconvenience, but we have to do a random search." They immediately came over to me (and a couple of other people), took my carry on, and went through everything in it. Mind you I had already gone through security, the scanners and all that. It bugged me a bit but I luagh it off. Not the first time I've been 'profiled' even though I'm Italian. I'm dark skinned and look crazy at times. Thats wasn't the end of it though.

I'm actually boarding the plane and another guy (I think FBI if I remeber correctly) stops me in the walkway to the plane and tells me he has to frisk me. Only me. Now I'm pissed but I want to get home more than I give a crap that this guy needs to feel me up. He frisks me, I get on the plane, I get home. I don't think all that much about the incident until now.

I should have written a creative blog about the experience. Would have gotten me some publicity.

Got the same kind of treatment a handful of times over the past 10 years. FBI cornered and pulled me over in the street once, frisked me, and went through every inch of my car with no explanation until they were done. I got frisked and drug smeared coming out of Russia. A few other times same kind of thing happened. Non arab and black people go through this kind of thing too.
 
True, but check the percentages. And I didn't mean to imply that all members of any religious group have a proclivity toward terrorism.

+1

Faith is often slandered and abused as a fig leaf to disguise terrorist acts which are typically secular in origin and strategic in motive.

Two examples:

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Also...

Operation Gladio [BBC Timewatch, 1992]
 
This is just another piece of ridiculous sensationalism. She was seated next to two individuals who acted suspiciously. When traveling together, groups of people often purchase seats together, so it is reasonable to suspect she was involved with these other two gentlemen.

As Munji asked - what if those other two men HAD been up to no good? How do we know they were not two yahoos who wanted to mark the tenth anniversary in their own special way? Would her hour of detainment have been such an ordeal? Would everyone still be playing the race card? No, we'd be waving little flags, exclaiming what a great place this is. Yay! We're safe!

The alternative is to purposefully ignore ALL suspicious behavior if it is done by anyone with pigment in their skin. After all, it is just racial profiling, anyway.

@ Joe Nerve - I don't think you'd get much publicity, being a white male.
 
Going into San Diego I had to have my picture taken and fingerprints scanned plus I got to go through one of those funky x-ray backscatter devices (they wouldn't give me a copy of the picture :( ). Also, the guys who were checking our train tickets in the US, had guns ;) .

PS - White folks can be Muslims too.


This is an easy explanation.


We don't like Scots.:mad:


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