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working with an inexperienced drummer

I've found that beginner percussionists sometimes tend to over complicate what they're trying to play. What I mean is that they have a part in their head, try to play past their current ability, and their time falls apart. If that's the case, you might politely suggest simplifying what she's trying to play with the goal of keeping steady time.
 
I feel your pain... I'm currently in a band with a blah drummer, definitely never took any lessons. He makes up for it with a great personality, as well as the ability to get decent gigs, and so we keep him. Our last drummer was awesome, but a complaining drama king. And so I'm learning to lock in with the guy as best I can. And that is what I'd suggest to you. Just be prepared to be limited in which songs your band is going to be able to play- stick with basic rock songs and you'll be OK.

P.S. If she is taking lessons from a pro, she will improve, otherwise, probably not much.
 
Can you suggest to the band that it may help the entire if the drummer plays with a click track? Maybe she doesn't even realize she is going off!

I give her great thumbs up for singing and playing drums, that cant be easy. I still dont know how Gill Moore from Triumph used to do it!!
 
I’ve been playing drums professionally, probably as long as you’ve been a bassist. RECORD the songs you are talking about. Record the songs and discuss everyone in the band’s performances. Don’t just single her out. But, show her how she is screwing up. If she doesn’t immediately start working on improving her playing, you’ll realize she isn’t serious.
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. Record and analyze.
 
I’ve been playing drums professionally, probably as long as you’ve been a bassist. RECORD the songs you are talking about. Record the songs and discuss everyone in the band’s performances. Don’t just single her out. But, show her how she is screwing up. If she doesn’t immediately start working on improving her playing, you’ll realize she isn’t serious.

This is great advice, often repeated. It only works on self-reflective proactive people though, which are few and who are seldom an issue in a team environment.

It's the equivalent of saying "Hey Fatty, there's a gym over there!". Won't change a thing.

Same as working with someone, effectively giving them free lessons ... will they practice with focus at home? No. They'll value your time and experience for what it's worth - nothing - because you gave it for free.

OP said it's all for "fun". Well, fun is doing things right to get things right. If someone's not doing that, it's no fun for those who do.

Ideally everyone in any band is pursuing development on their instrument and growth as a musician. This is done through focused practice preferably with the input of an experienced teacher or mentor.

If not, recordings won't matter. They either won't / can't hear it, or if they cared they'd have already worked on it.

Same thing in relationships, in the workplace, etc.

It comes down to values, and it's rare you can change the values of others. Only consequences *might* do that, so ...

Fire the drummer!
 
The drummer in my last band had an iPad app that monitored his tempo through the whole song. It was a wake up call for all of us how much variation there was. She may see what happens to her timing when she starts to sing. Anyway, good luck and try not to get too frustrated in your fun band.

I use the Live BPM app for iPhone and it’s great. Waaay more useful than metronome imo. I use it whether I’m on bass or drum duty. In addition to tracking BPM in the moment it also displays your tempo on a graph along a set period of time (like a song). Really useful after running a track in rehearsal to look back and see where the rushing or dragging occurs.
 
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Put her up front as a singer. Then find a drummer who can play.

Best answer. She can't play drums properly. And she certainly can't play and sing properly. But she might be able to sing without playing drums. You may not know. Try it. But DONT give her any hand percussion, especially a tambourine. It's harder than it looks.

My personal rule of thumb is no drummer is always better than a bad drummer.

She needs so much more woodshed than you can give her.
 
In my experience, you can light a fire under someone for a minute or two, but either they want to practice and get better or they don't. I'd test the waters and see if they're interested in getting better or if they're just happy to be making noise in a band.

If they want to learn and the extra time is available, suggest getting together with just bass and drums and jam with each other without any other distractions. It won't happen overnight, so be patient.

If they don't want to get better, then you have to decide if it's worth it to you to keep playing with them.
 
Inexperienced musicians hear what's playing in their heads, and not what they're actually playing. It sounds simple, yet hard for them to get. Some get it after listening to a recording of themselves, and that's good news. Some don't get it no matter what which is the worst case scenario and there's not much you can do about it.
 
Can you do a breakout practice with you and drums? Don't start with songs, just hold beat. Keep it simple and slow. Then after a while record it and play back. Be cool about it like "I want to hear how I sound with the drums." If the drummer catches the issue when it's isolated she has a better shot at addressing it.

I've been playing a lot lately with a 1st grade boy who's been learning kit drums for about 10 months. So I feel you. But at least in my case it's "cool uncle time", no expectations. In your case you need to set up some accountability without creating a rift.
 
If she’s been playing for 4 years and can’t lock in and groove, she probably never will. In my experience most, yes most drummers just don’t get it. They approach the drums as something that they play along with the band, they just don’t understand that they are the engine. Even experienced drummers that can keep a beat and play the cover songs “just like on the record “ fall short when when creating original material. You need to find a drummer that’s a natural, and is also not a drug addict or an alcoholic . And one that doesn’t need permission from his or her partner to attend rehearsal.
 
I agree that it takes time to improve and that a good drummer is important, but I also think context is KEY. What is the point of this band? are you trying to be the most booked working band in town? get a deal and go on the road? or just have fun and play out sometimes. I work regularly in a number of groups locally, and without a doubt one of my favs and one of the most fun is an indie rockc trio I play bass in. The guitarist/singer has been a working musician for 25+ years like me but the drummer is fairly new to her instrument. She played a bit back when, then didn't for a long time, then got back into it a few years ago. She's not the most steady drummer and it can be a huge challenge for me to lock in with her, but she's super fun to be around and her energy is just infectious (bad word choice these days lol). There are plenty of good drummers around here and we've had a few sub for her when she was out of town, but even though it was tighter and all that, it wasn't nearly as much fun. and I think she's made big progress with her drumming in the last year or two of playing together. I record all gigs and rehearsals and give her the tracks to work with. I multitrack everything so I was able to give her some drum minus tracks to practice with. we've gotten together to just work out bass/drums stuff we've gently worked with her during rehearsals to tame some of her overly ambitious drum fill tendencies and all in all she's gotten way better. since we're a band that's primarily about having fun (and it's all original music so no trying to nail covers) I wouldn't trade her out for anyone. my 2 cents. cheers
 
Can you do a breakout practice with you and drums? Don't start with songs, just hold beat. Keep it simple and slow. Then after a while record it and play back. Be cool about it like "I want to hear how I sound with the drums." If the drummer catches the issue when it's isolated she has a better shot at addressing it.

I've been playing a lot lately with a 1st grade boy who's been learning kit drums for about 10 months. So I feel you. But at least in my case it's "cool uncle time", no expectations. In your case you need to set up some accountability without creating a rift.
That’s actually a pretty good idea. Run through the material just drums and bass, and I would add to maby be a bit animated while playing to emphasize the groove, beat and dynamics.
 
I haven’t read every reply, but maybe you and her could have some practices alone to lock in grooves. That’s something I have done with every band I’ve been in, especially when it is someone I have never played with. Eliminate the distractions of guitars and vocals and play the set with just you two. If experience is all she lacks you could really help her down the road as a player. I always take the approach that I am trying to make us play better together, not that I’m trying to teach them to be a better player.
 
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She has to PAY HER DUES. If you're doing cover songs, tell her to pick apart her parts on the songs until she gets them.

NO PAIN NO GAIN.

This is not an app or software you can download into her brain. Not yet at least (but soon if you want AI swimming around inside of you)

To tell a drummer to not sacrifice the vocals for the drums is wrong. The job of the drummer is to keep beat NOT SING. Otherwise play drum loops.:rollno: