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Workshop Tools - the essentials???
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Pure fiction. Male Bovine Derived Organic Fertilizer. Horse Hockey.
120V 15 amps = 1800 watts = 2.4 HP if it was magically 100% efficient. Instead, the marketing department would like you to believe that it's even more magically 166% efficient.
Pray, do not believe the marketing department, if you have a shred of sense. Nothing that uses a normal 120V, 15 amp plug is more than about 2 HP, real-world.
@smithcreek - a large table saw offers more space to put things on - very important.
Looking at spec sheets not marketing propaganda, but I realize that can sometimes be one and the same. Thanks for the clarification! So it is 2.4HP and the Grizzly is 2HP.
Not trying to toot my own horn, but I am pretty sure I have more than a shred of sense...
I was, in fact, looking at this highly self-contradictory document as I wrote that.
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I note that the claimed Hp is not down where the actual specs are, but it's still complete and utter BS that they should fire someone for putting in there at all; Instead, they will probably give them a bonus. 746 watts per horsepower is not just a good idea, it's the definition. Without magick, this is a pack of lies.
Going to have a lot of fun using the #10 rated "tablesaw" in that rating - "some accessories needed?"
It would only be 2.4 HP if it was 100% efficient - it's not, no motor is.
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Hey Smith
Thanks for weighing in. Interesting that you don't use the table saw. I have admired several of your incredible builds. As previously stated "divine" is a word I would use to describe at least a couple of your creations, especially the latest hollow body in your avatar.
I love this video, "Restrung" it's a bit long, but I find it pretty intriguing. Speaking of using the band saw for everything, check this out, if you haven't seen it. The fun starts at 39:12. You may notice that he uses Grizzly nearly exclusively as well. I love his shop.
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Thanks! I've watched most of that video by hopping around, never all at once. Good stuff. He's a good builder that's for sure!
For a lot of things I use power tools to get me as close as possible as fast as possible, then a hand tool for the last step. Joining two halves of a body, rip and crosscut on the band saw, joint one face and one edge on the jointer, get the wood close to thickness with a planer, then make the final joint with a hand plane. Sometimes, when the blade is sharp and I'm in a groove, it's literally 4-5 strokes with the plane on each edge and it's ready to join. So, I don't worry about the quality of the edge coming off a machine, and my band saw is large enough that it cuts thick, hard wood pretty darn straight and I feel safer using it. But, you will need something to make rough straight cuts, and a smaller table saw will do that much better than a smaller band saw.
Not counting the cnc machine, without a doubt the power tools I use most are the band saw, an 8" jointer and bench top planer. Not sure what size jointer you went with, but I recommend 8". Wide enough for half a body and the longer the bed the longer the piece of wood it will make straight. That's critical because you need some tool that will make the edge straight and the length of the bed on the jointer and the length of the fence on a table saw are your limiting factors.
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Hopkins
Commercial User
Hopkins
Commercial User
The Grizzly saw is rated at 15 amps at 120v as well as having a 240v option. Neither saw is under powered, but it should be noted that the Bosch will most likely be a direct drive saw where the Grizzly saw will most likely be a belt drive which will give it a mechanical advantage increasing torque.
I've looked at that Rousseau stand as well. And yeah, a wee bit silly-priced! Much better to build something. I also agree that no SawStop invalidates any sort of "best of" list. Popularity does not always equal quality. Either way, as long as the saw is solidly-built, which the Bosch surely is, you can make it work for you.
As with any table saw discussion, I'd like to mention that more than any other tool in the shop, the table saw deserves the most respect.
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Going back to your shopping list, I may have missed it, but no drum sander? I do not have one, but it is certainly on my wish list--especially for cleaning up resaw marks. Not a needed item, but a helpful one nonetheless!
As with any table saw discussion, I'd like to mention that more than any other tool in the shop, the table saw deserves the most respect.
Table Saw Safety
Going back to your shopping list, I may have missed it, but no drum sander? I do not have one, but it is certainly on my wish list--especially for cleaning up resaw marks. Not a needed item, but a helpful one nonetheless!
Great video, and one I've been meaning to rewatch. My buddy CJ is an endorsed artist of Wyn and is playing at the end of the video.
Hopkins
Commercial User
Its one of those tools, that once you buy one, you wonder how you ever lived with out it.
Hopkins
Commercial User
Go used, but avoid getting a Delta. The table adjustment is overly complex, and not very well thought out. It uses a belt and plastic drive gears that are easily stripped out if it gets out of adjustment, and no parts are available for them. I still want to redesign the way it works because it is a powerful machine. I have a smaller Jet model now that works well, but requires lighter passes than the Delta could handle. But then again its a smaller machine.
I found my current machine on craigslist for $150
Craigslist all the way for me. I've been birddogging CL for months for the right deal. I am indeed looking for a Jet or luck into a screaming deal on a free-standing model. Patience, I try to have.
Hopkins
Commercial User
I have one like this, I am thinking about replacing the motor with something more powerful as it tends to bog down a little, but it is a good little machine
I have one like this, I am thinking about replacing the motor with something more powerful as it tends to bog down a little, but it is a good little machine
Nice! That is the size I am aiming for, although I wouldn't complain about a 10/20 if I find a great price. The motor should be easy enough to upgrade on any of the Jet units.
Hopkins
Commercial User
I wouldn't get anything smaller than a 16/32. You want to be able to sand a guitar top in a single pass.
So I am guessing that a second pass (with top spun around to catch what had been hanging over the edge on the first pass) will yield undesirable results on a smaller sander?
