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Would this put you off as a buyer?

#201
LBS-bass said:
Only if you don't already have someone interested in the bass. Then you're in a situation. And you may well have someone interested based on what you posted earlier, who hasn't contacted you yet and is now going to be mad at you because you "did something shady" by changing your listing. And dealing with that will take up more of your time.
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Of the ' interested ' parties in my Reverb transactions maybe once did someone actually purchase something, you know who buys?
hint, it's not the guy telling me cool bass, it's not the guy asking for 15 measurements, it's not the guy asking because I own a particular instrument can I answer questions about theirs, it's not the person inviting me for a cup of coffee to discuss brand history, you know who buys?? The person I've never previously communicated with who hits the ' buy ' button


your mileage may vary
 
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#202
LBS-bass said:
An experienced seller knows a tire-kicker when he encounters one
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Not always...I remember walking in a ford dealership once and I wanted to buy an explorer...I wasn't there to kick tires...I was there to buy and upon a test drive and a negotiation over price I was fully prepared to buy that day. ( had a check for $23k in my pocket).. They didn't have exactly what I was looking for but they had a nice mountaineer, which was a mercury and leather seats nicer trim pkg, blah blah blah...I liked it but not 100% sure, so I told the salesman I'm definitely interested in this give me a call in the morning tomorrow and I'll let you know what I decide I just need a night to think it over. Salesman says, ok...

Next day I hear nothing from them, finally after work I called the salesman ready to buy, and said how come you never called me, did you sell that?..He said, no I just didn't figure you had the money to afford that truck.? I said well I have a check for 23k and I was going to buy that truck today but never mind now...click.

Granted I went to the dealership in work clothes..( electrician) but cmon...lol I was totally misjudged and he lost an easy sale because of his thinking he knew a tire kicker when he seen one...
 
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#203
9c1ny said:
at the end of the day it's his bass his rules, I understand that, doesn't mean I agree with his reasoning or have to feel good about it. hopefully everyone on here espousing support for the seller practices (more so condemnation of my sentiment) what they preach the next time they try to negotiate a purchase
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This thread is a big reason why I shop at a local music store rather than online.

There's nothing inherently wrong with online shopping, just that there's no way to work with sellers like this one.

Part of me wants to believe that if the sale were possible face-to-face, things would have worked out in favor of 9c1ny. Online transactions, and texts, lack the nuance of actual human interaction.

I don't think either party is in the wrong, nor are they in the right, entirely.

The seller wants to keep the OHSC with the cheaper bass--I get that.

The prospective buyer wants the better case to protect the more expensive investment--I get that, too.

I hope that 9c1ny gets the bass, if it's a matter of love, or gets an equally awesome bass if it's just a matter of lust.
 
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#204
murph7489 said:
Not always...I remember walking in a ford dealership once and I wanted to buy an explorer...I wasn't there to kick tires...I was there to buy and upon a test drive and a negotiation over price I was fully prepared to buy that day. ( had a check for $23k in my pocket).. They didn't have exactly what I was looking for but they had a nice mountaineer, which was a mercury and leather seats nicer trim pkg, blah blah blah...I liked it but not 100% sure, so I told the salesman I'm definitely interested in this give me a call in the morning tomorrow and I'll let you know what I decide I just need a night to think it over. Salesman says, ok...

Next day I hear nothing from them, finally after work I called the salesman ready to buy, and said how come you never called me, did you sell that?..He said, no I just didn't figure you had the money to afford that truck.? I said well I have a check for 23k and I was going to buy that truck today but never mind now...click.

Granted I went to the dealership in work clothes..( electrician) but cmon...lol I was totally misjudged and he lost an easy sale because of his thinking he knew a tire kicker when he seen one...
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That's not an experienced salesman. An experienced salesman would never judge someone's income by how they were dressed. That's one of the first lessons that was drilled into me when I as in sales. Sorry that happened to you, though!
 
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9c1ny said:
Of the ' interested ' parties in my Reverb transactions maybe once did someone actually purchase something, you know who buys?
hint, it's not the guy telling me cool bass, it's not the guy asking for 15 measurements, it's not the guy asking because I own a particular instrument can I answer questions about theirs, it's not the person inviting me for a cup of coffee to discuss brand history, you know who buys?? The person I've never previously communicated with who hits the ' buy ' button


your mileage may vary
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You're right about that. However, if you for some reason were to be corresponding with someone about something you wanted (like for example, asking about a different case), and you actually were interested in buying it, having the listing change before you bought it would make you feel... how?
 
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on a side note I was shopping a C7 Z06 Corvette at a large dealer about a year ago, the car was great except it had a badly curbed rim that had been sprayed over with plasti-dip

I had a check in my pocket for $20k down

They wouldn't budge off their price, all I asked for was a new rim or to knock enough off so I could get one

this was a 60k 10k mile car, probably at cost it may have cost them $300 or $400

the guy was cocky and told me he " had never lost a sale"

should have seen his face when I walked out the door



I regretted it in the short term but took delight on them sitting on the car for another 2 months

I eventually found a different car , alls well that ends well
 
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#207
LBS-bass said:
You're right about that. However, if you for some reason were to be corresponding with someone about something you wanted (like for example, asking about a different case), and you actually were interested in buying it, having the listing change before you bought it would make you feel... how?
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there's a lot of if's and but's in this but like the old saying, money talks

they still have both basses as of this minute
 
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About a year ago I won the auction on Ebay for a Japan FSR walnut Jazz Bass. It was advertised as pristine, no marks, etc. I drove the 40 or so miles to pick it up and on inspection I found some small marks on the side of the bass. Other than that, the bass was really really nice, and I wanted it, but I was really irked that it hadn't been accurately advertised, and I also wondered about the sellers integrity. I declined the bass and drove home, although I nearly turned back after 5 minutes!

Decided my priorities were wrong, and won the Bass again, but it cost me an extra £50, not to mention time and petrol.

But I'm very happy with the Bass. So don't sweat the small stuff!
 
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#210
LBS-bass said:
That's not an experienced salesman. An experienced salesman would never judge someone's income by how they were dressed. That's one of the first lessons that was drilled into me when I as in sales. Sorry that happened to you, though!
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ha ha perhaps another lesson in this story, a few days later I went to another dealership 45 mins away and they had the exact explorer I wanted, right color, right engine, tranny, etc..I went in there, took a test drive about a block into it I told the salesman, I'll take it lets go do the paper work..I sat down put the check on his desk and said, I want one thing...1000 off the price and a moonroof installed, I'll sign this check right now..?...he said I can't do that...I said ok, picked up the check and got up and started out of his cubicle..he said hoooolldd up...let me ask my sales manager..I said ok..he comes back, we can do it...lolol...I got everything I wanted for a fair price..and they got an immediate easy sale...and that's how you do it.

If you want something then buy it...if the deal doesn't work for you, walk away...maybe the perfect deal is just round the corner..
 
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Some one else said he took a picture of the money and sent it...that's right...if you physically buying something and you want a certain price...Put that money right in their hand if you can, or set it down right in front of them..There is a power that exists with that pile of money, and that seller will look at that cash I guarantee it..tell them this is what I have...lets get this done.. It almost never fails.
 
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#212
LBS-bass said:
You have no idea how many other people are also asking about the same deal.
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Irrelevant. In that moment, the OP was a willing buyer. A bird in the hand, yadda yadda...

The "experienced seller" thing is bogus too for the most part, and at any rate not relevant in this situation. The OP is NOT a tire kicker. He wanted the bass and presumably has the money to buy it. He wasn't even asking for a cut on the price, just a minor addition, that the sellers had on hand.

LBS-bass said:
You're right about that. However, if you for some reason were to be corresponding with someone about something you wanted (like for example, asking about a different case), and you actually were interested in buying it, having the listing change before you bought it would make you feel... how?
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Well, first of all, it's always on the buyer to confirm the details of the listing before purchase. But also it's incumbent upon the seller to clearly mark any updates to the ad. A smart seller upon receiving a message like the OPs, if he DID in fact have someone "on the line" about the other bass, would reach out to the other person, and say "hey, how interested are you in this bass, I have another guy asking about another bass that this case would also be a match for". Then that potential customer could say "no go ahead, I'm not ready to buy yet" or "no, hang on I'll take the bass as is if you'll do $XXXX" or whatever.

But the rigid, inflexible approach is almost never going to net the seller more money. A situation like above takes him a few minutes of emailing back and forth. And again, you never know. Maybe a buyer can't afford the other bass at $1800 and no one else is even interested, but when you drop to $1750 with the beat up case, it's just within reach and he snags it. So now you sold both basses, and only took maybe a $50 hit to your profit, it took you maybe an extra 30 minutes of work, and now you have all that operating capital to work with to buy more gear. Sell 2 basses for a total of 4450, pay out $500 to each partner, and you have $3450 to put into more gear to sell. OR, wait maybe months or years or maybe never sell 1 or the other bass at all and foolishly let 1 or 2 good buyers slip away out of ego.
 
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#216
MultiScaleMale said:
They are both in someone else's cart and have only been listed for seven days. I understand why he wouldn't want to swap components around. They sell worldwide and the items are listed on their website too. So while it's a reasonable ask on your part, it's also reasonable for the shop to not want to do that.
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for what it's worth Reverb always says " act fast! someone has it in their cart"

I call B.S. on it
 
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The OP's original question was:
9c1ny said:
Am I unreasonable?
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IMHO it still is yes:
He's Unreasonable to himself. No matter what an ass the seller is (or he thinks it is) the OP is missing out on a great Bass he's "GASSING" for. A simple "And what can or will you do to close the deal" as response to the sellers' " wouldn't be willing to do that " could've made the difference. Instead he goes for "option 2" and goes into self- pity-mode. (Been there... done that... doesn't work.)
One advice: chin-up, talk to the seller, come to a consensus, buy the bass you want, and enjoy. :bassist:
 
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