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Would you consider this overplaying the bass line?

Would you consider this overplaying the bass line?

  • Yes, that's definitely overplaying. Drop the fills, simplify.

    Votes: 4 2.3%
  • Maybe a little. Maybe drop a few of the fills, and simplify a bit.

    Votes: 23 13.0%
  • Nah, it's fine.

    Votes: 129 72.9%
  • I think you're not playing enough. More fills. And add some 11 finger taps while you're at it.

    Votes: 10 5.6%
  • Use a carrot as a slide

    Votes: 11 6.2%

  • Total voters
    177
No, you're laying down a good solid groove. ... I play the tune the same way without the fills, which you do repeat the same fill coming out of the break, so you could switch that up. ... You're doing a good job at keeping the drummer honest, which I'm sure he likes. ...
 
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But when it gets to the "13-month-old baby" bit, you jump into a very crisp unison, and it starts to feel jumpy rather than groovy. I'd suggest you keep hanging behind it there. Kind of slide into the first phrase of it - rather than "dat de dat, da da de da..." go "daahh, dahh, da da de da..." Just my 2 cents.
Agreed with this.. thats the pre chorus part and it does not feel right to my ears.. too on top of the beat? The rest sounds great...
 
Forgive me for not reading through five pages of responses first, but every opinion still counts, so, "it's fine". The reason it's fine is because of the sparse instrumentation. If this was in the setting of a thirty-piece orchestra, maybe not fine. The fewer instruments are playing, the more sonic space each needs to fill in order to avoid the pitfall of sounding weak and anemic. Guitar trios suffer greatly. During solos the only reference to chordal changes as well as the low register is the bass. Fills are not only acceptable, they become mandatory. If the guitarist is clever and can fuse enough rhythmic clues into the solo to maintain coherence, you're a step ahead. You still have to play your butt off. What you play in this situation is just as, if not more important than how you play it. Choosing which parts to accentuate at any given point and which parts to skip can create the illusion of all parts being present, although they aren't. Listen to Joe Pass or Tal Farlow play solo guitar. They give the impression of two guitars playing simultaneously (or at least a guitar and a half). If the guitarist and bassist work together complementing and supporting each other, the holes are filled by the audience hearing what isn't fully there but is hinted at. Think of paintings where the background is fuzzy and you still get the effect of distance and spatiality. They aren't in 3D, yet you perceive them as such. The same is true for aural tricks. Convince the audience that what they expect to be in the background actually is (even though you know better). Sorry to be longwinded. Hope this helps.
 
Forgive me for not reading through five pages of responses first, but every opinion still counts, so, "it's fine". The reason it's fine is because of the sparse instrumentation. If this was in the setting of a thirty-piece orchestra, maybe not fine. The fewer instruments are playing, the more sonic space each needs to fill in order to avoid the pitfall of sounding weak and anemic. Guitar trios suffer greatly. During solos the only reference to chordal changes as well as the low register is the bass. Fills are not only acceptable, they become mandatory. If the guitarist is clever and can fuse enough rhythmic clues into the solo to maintain coherence, you're a step ahead. You still have to play your butt off. What you play in this situation is just as, if not more important than how you play it. Choosing which parts to accentuate at any given point and which parts to skip can create the illusion of all parts being present, although they aren't. Listen to Joe Pass or Tal Farlow play solo guitar. They give the impression of two guitars playing simultaneously (or at least a guitar and a half). If the guitarist and bassist work together complementing and supporting each other, the holes are filled by the audience hearing what isn't fully there but is hinted at. Think of paintings where the background is fuzzy and you still get the effect of distance and spatiality. They aren't in 3D, yet you perceive them as such. The same is true for aural tricks. Convince the audience that what they expect to be in the background actually is (even though you know better). Sorry to be longwinded. Hope this helps.
Thank you for the feedback and thoughtful suggestions, @jamro217 ! i appreciate the response and tge advice and will take it yo heart and check out the folks you referenced. Much appreciated! Still figuring this stuff out, so advice like this is welcome and very helpful!
 
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I think there are some places where you do step on the singer... for example:
0:16-0:17 - your fill when the singer comes in? Again at 1:10-1:12 and 2:28-2:30 - I think leaving space for the vocals to accent the verse might be better.

Vocally, there is a lot of space in the song, so there's no need for the bass to draw attention from the vocals.

Other than that, I really dig the bass work.
 
I think there are some places where you do step on the singer... for example:
0:16-0:17 - your fill when the singer comes in? Again at 1:10-1:12 and 2:28-2:30 - I think leaving space for the vocals to accent the verse might be better.

Vocally, there is a lot of space in the song, so there's no need for the bass to draw attention from the vocals.

Other than that, I really dig the bass work.
Thanks for the feedback, @Acoustic356 ! Good points!
 
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Thank you for the feedback and thoughtful suggestions, @jamro217 ! i appreciate the response and tge advice and will take it yo heart and check out the folks you referenced. Much appreciated! Still figuring this stuff out, so advice like this is welcome and very helpful!
Thank you for your kind reply. I started out as the guitarist in a rock trio (before switching to bass) and had to figure out a way to make it work. Completely ruined any aspirations as a guitarist by transforming the "one guitar" mentality to that of a "full orchestra guitar". Once you begin thinking that way you can't go back. Unable to function in a band with more than one other guitarist anymore without constantly stepping on toes. Bass (as a separate instrument from guitar) can fit into many genres with a busy approach and not sound out of place. Rocco did just fine in TOP. Take care!
 
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