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Would you go boutique or vintage?

New boutique bass or vintage bass?


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I don't know...
The longer I play, the more I realize that it comes down to your own hands.
I've heard bad basses sound great and great basses sound bad.
I've seen seemingly inappropriate instruments seem appropriate.
There were as many "duds" in the past as there are right now. The only way to tell if an instrument has that "magic" is to play it. You'll know within seconds.
 
I'm a hobbiest and a player. I love expensive basses, but in my world a USA Fender is an expensive bass. So - NO, I wouldn't buy boutique or vintage. I respect the pros and rich people who do - and if I could, I too would be a pro bass player and/or a rich guy... but I'm not.
I posted because none of your poll options fit my reality.

Unless playing bass is your life or youre pretty well off they ARE expensive!
 
I voted boutique as well, but sometimes I've played these vintage pieces that just had so much tone in them. It's more than mojo; it's an audible difference. A student of mine used his dad's 70s P-Bass and I had my Modulus (of course Apples to Oranges), and much as I didn't want to admt it, that old P really slay some modern instruments. I got to try some of Bobby Vega's basses and man, the years he put into those basses or SOMETHING made those basses sing more than anything!

I guess there are always exceptions.

Still, I don't want to have to deal with an instrument that's falling apart eventually, even if the value doesn't decline. For me, reliability is key. I can't have stuff break down on me, you know? I'm still gonna go with Muscato on this one.
 
Depends what you want. If it's for resale, anything used beats anything new. If it's to hoard, admire, brag on, leave in a case and pretend it's a great investment; pristine vintage. In my case, the ideal bass has 5 strings, weighs less than 7.5 lbs, is ergonomic, noiseless and free of dead spots. I've never had the pleasure of playing anything vintage that does any of those things as well as a boutique. Count me among those who believe that with rare exceptions, in the world of basses, old is just old. If it floats your boat, that's cool, but the few old Fenders I've played (all with astronomical asking prices) didn't sound, play or feel any better than a Lakland or Lull, at least as long as everyone in the room had his eyes closed. For me, the Emperor has no clothes (just my opinion, please no flame wars here) or at least I cannot hear or feel them. On the other hand, when I play my Elrick or Basslab, my hands and shoulder are happy, and my ears get even tone without noise. To each his own.
 
Don't mean to butt in, but could be nic is like me, old and remembers when the old, now vintage collector, stuff was our only choice except for the copies like the Kent and Memphis, etc. Or the rick which none of us could afford.

I've played several pre CBS precisions, and a jazz or two. A sea of the 70's fenders, Precisions, Jazz's, mustangs and a few others I can't remember. I owned a 70's jazz when I was in college.

Hate to say it, but the pre CBS's mystique is, well, just that, mystique. The ones I played were mildly better than the 70's instruments but they were still pretty mediocre in terms of consistency of the quality. Bad fret work, crappy neck/body joint, tuning keys you needed a pair of pliers to turn and one had a pretty warped neck.

Great collector's items, but a VERY BAD waste of money if you want to actually try to gig and make music with the things.

For that, the wise thing to do is get a new reissue from Fender if you just have to have a pre CBS precision or jazz. Fender makes exact replicas now of the 57 precision and the 62 jazz. They will sound exactly the same as the real ones, be zounds better built, better hardware better everything and will be a 10th of the price of an original collector.....

So maybe it's just me, but I'm not fooled - they may be collector's items and are great for that, but the vintage stuff is the poorest choice by far if you want to play it as your main instrument....

LS

Your experience is quite different from mine. When I was a kid, you had the choice of a used instrument or a new instrument. "Vintage" didn't really exist. (of course it did, it just didn't factor into realistic buying) What passed for "used" was what would be considered "vintage" now.

I got my first bass, a 1971 Gibson EB-0 for $200 in 1984/5. I paid way too much for it, but I had that money burning a hole in my pocket, and I wanted that badass looking Jack Bruce looking bass. I think the next bass I got was a 1968 Gibson EB-2. That thing was BEAUTIFUL. If it were to be on the market today, it would be described as "mint." I think that cost me $500 back in 1987. I got my early/mid 70s Rick 4001 in mapleglo in 1988. That was $400.

Here's my setup around 1990.

The Marshall 100w half stack that I got for $500, the EB-2 for $500, the Rick for $400, the EB-0 for $200 and the mid 70s Telecaster Custom that I got for $300.

normal_1990collection.jpg


From 1991 to 1996 I went through 2 1950s Les Paul Specials, a half dozen or so 50s Les Paul Juniors, a half dozen or so 70s Les Paul Deluxes, a Travis Bean, a 74 20th Anniversary Les Paul Custom, an 81 Les Paul Standard and a host of other guitars... Most cost around $500, the Custom cost $700 and a really cherry 1960 LP Jr cost me $900.

In 1996 I got my 1965 Jazz Bass. It's a refin (poorly done) and I paid $1000 for it, and I overpaid.

What are now considered "vintage" guitars were "used" guitars back then. It didn't take too much of a brain surgeon to figure out that a $500 50s Jr was a generally better playing and better feeling guitar than a $500 LP Deluxe or a $600 70s Standard, and certainly a way better deal than a $1300 new model. However, at the end of the 90s- the prices of Juniors soared- with the advent of the intArwebs, every armchair guitarist fancied themselves a "collector" and the player pieces became "collectable."

I don't think the Custom Shop recreations of instruments catch that same feel as the older instruments. I think there was a lot better sourcing of wood, I think the environmental restrictions on wood sourcing affected what wood was available, I think the environmental restrictions on emissions affected the finishes, I think the fact that both Gibson and Fender were bought out to become cash cows for their parent companies (Norlin for Gibson and CBS for Fender) changed the focus from making instruments to making more money for less cost.

I don't look at 70s instruments as being "vintage." I look at the "vintage" value placed upon them mainly as a result of age and relative rarity, not because the features of the instruments are considered desirable.

Attributing todays "cache" of "vintage mystique" to yesterday's market is wrong. Although I'm not dismissing your experience with "vintage" instruments, what I read above is "I played a bunch of 70s stuff and a couple of pre-CBS instruments that I can't afford, they all sucked and all 'vintage' stuff is hooey." And I don't think that's representative of a decent sampling of decent instruments.
 
I think Golden boy pretty much said it all. I LOVE nice old-school basses, but as far as the actual instrument you get, what you're really paying out the ass for is the fact that "vintage" is 'in' these days, and anything made in the 70s and before are selling for big bucks, I've seen some really crap basses sell for high $$ simply because of age.

Again, I LOVE old-school basses, especially some of the funky off-kilter models of the 70s, but if I had the choice, I would get a very nice, versatile, and well playing boutique bass, that may cost big bucks, but if something happend to, I could order another one just like it.

Honestly neither is anything I really intend to buy unless I somehow get a good chunk of spare change. I get a lot of good tones from the upgraded cheap basses, and budget project basses I currently have/am working on, and right now that's all i need.
 
Your experience is quite different from mine. When I was a kid, you had the choice of a used instrument or a new instrument. "Vintage" didn't really exist. (of course it did, it just didn't factor into realistic buying) What passed for "used" was what would be considered "vintage" now.

I got my first bass, a 1971 Gibson EB-0 for $200 in 1984/5. I paid way too much for it, but I had that money burning a hole in my pocket, and I wanted that badass looking Jack Bruce looking bass. I think the next bass I got was a 1968 Gibson EB-2. That thing was BEAUTIFUL. If it were to be on the market today, it would be described as "mint." I think that cost me $500 back in 1987. I got my early/mid 70s Rick 4001 in mapleglo in 1988. That was $400.

Here's my setup around 1990.

The Marshall 100w half stack that I got for $500, the EB-2 for $500, the Rick for $400, the EB-0 for $200 and the mid 70s Telecaster Custom that I got for $300.

normal_1990collection.jpg


From 1991 to 1996 I went through 2 1950s Les Paul Specials, a half dozen or so 50s Les Paul Juniors, a half dozen or so 70s Les Paul Deluxes, a Travis Bean, a 74 20th Anniversary Les Paul Custom, an 81 Les Paul Standard and a host of other guitars... Most cost around $500, the Custom cost $700 and a really cherry 1960 LP Jr cost me $900.
In 1996 I got my 1965 Jazz Bass. It's a refin (poorly done) and I paid $1000 for it, and I overpaid.

What are now considered "vintage" guitars were "used" guitars back then. It didn't take too much of a brain surgeon to figure out that a $500 50s Jr was a generally better playing and better feeling guitar than a $500 LP Deluxe or a $600 70s Standard, and certainly a way better deal than a $1300 new model. However, at the end of the 90s- the prices of Juniors soared- with the advent of the intArwebs, every armchair guitarist fancied themselves a "collector" and the player pieces became "collectable."

I don't think the Custom Shop recreations of instruments catch that same feel as the older instruments. I think there was a lot better sourcing of wood, I think the environmental restrictions on wood sourcing affected what wood was available, I think the environmental restrictions on emissions affected the finishes, I think the fact that both Gibson and Fender were bought out to become cash cows for their parent companies (Norlin for Gibson and CBS for Fender) changed the focus from making instruments to making more money for less cost.

I don't look at 70s instruments as being "vintage." I look at the "vintage" value placed upon them mainly as a result of age and relative rarity, not because the features of the instruments are considered desirable.

Attributing todays "cache" of "vintage mystique" to yesterday's market is wrong. Although I'm not dismissing your experience with "vintage" instruments, what I read above is "I played a bunch of 70s stuff and a couple of pre-CBS instruments that I can't afford, they all sucked and all 'vintage' stuff is hooey." And I don't think that's representative of a decent sampling of decent instruments.

Are you uber rich now? :p:hiding:
 
I'd honestly go boutique at that price, something unique, and tailored to suit me, if I want a vintage style bass(and I do love vintage style basses), I'll just buy a new P bass etc. Same style, similar tone, less beat to hell.
 
I have a number of botique basses as well as vintage basses, but I voted vintage. The way I look at it - if I'm going to spend a lot of money (I'd consider in excess of $3000 on a bass a lot of money) I want to at least be able to get my money out of it if I decide to sell. That's hard if not impossible to do on any new botique bass purchase. Figure about a 50% value loss as soon as you buy a new botique. Now if you buy a used botique you can offset most of the loss but then it really isn't built by a botique builder just for you. Whereas if you go vintage it's not built specifically for you either but it should hold its value and may actually grow in value over the years.
From a playability standpoint, my Alembic plays great but so does my '68 precision. I'd never take either of them to a gig - strictly studio stuff for those. For me, $2500 is about the max I'd ever spend on a bass for gigs, and yes you can get a used Alembic or vintage Stingray for that price but any damage to the bass from gigging destroys the value of your investment. Net, there are tools and there are investments, I try not to confuse the two.
 
Great thread... interesting comments and results so far.

I have been playing a '74 P and a '73 Jazz much more than my 2 Roscoes as of late. I still love my Roscoes, but older Fenders (if you get good ones - they really made some garbage in the '70's) just sound great to me for everything from blues to country to funk to alternative and metal.

To each their own in any case....
I was reading a thread a few days ago with similar Fender QC laments about...90's-2009 basses.

Kinda funny how that part of the debate never seems to change.