Wow. These $39 fuses sure make a difference.

[David Jayne]

Maybe they're not sane. Maybe they're insane. Maybe they're out of their minds.

Maybe, Jim. Just maybe.

 

[rbonner]

Come on. You didn't think that all those years spent studying and getting your PhD would actually amount to you having "knowledge", did you ?

No No Dark Horse, its not HAVING KNOWLEDGE, it's now fashionable to go BEYOND KNOWLEDGE... This is pure leap of faith like stuff.

This will give you better audio, BECAUSE I SAID SO.

We no longer need science, we no longer even need to test this S***, you just need to TRUST ME. AH MY Brother, for this bottle will cure all your ills...

DR BOB Medicine Show... and Audiophile EXTRAORDINARE DELUXE.

 

[rbonner]

OH OH OH, I have to tell you guys...

OK so I went out to dinner with my lawyer... Well he's a bit more than that, sidekick etc.. We spent a few hours screwing around.. I built up a new computer for him here and we ended up over at Olive Garden for some Pasta.

He goes, man the lights are way down low, I can barely see... He asks the waitress hey is it possible to turn these lights up some... I can't even read the menu, you can turn them down when I'm done...

She goes away and is gone for a while... I start laughing and STARE at the light looking for ANY CHANGE in the light intensity and tell him about this thread...

Then I say, she's going to come back and say... " There is that better?" having not done anything, but of course our vision has adjusted to the dim room...

He starts laughing saying yeah OK I'm up for it.

I see her coming back, here she comes... Absolutely ZERO light change... Well guys is that better?

We both just come completely unglued laughing.... Yeah babe, thats perfect... You couldnt have done any better than if we had adjusted the knob ourselves...

She walks away shaking her head and I say, I wonder if she needs any Speaker Cream...? Ah it was a great night out.

BOB

 

[Joe Gress]

 

[CK1]

yes, the suggestions i've read that have been posted in this thread sound crazy--but so did just about every new idea that anyone's ever had before repeatable results were shown

Exactly. Except those crazy ideas throughout our history would never have become established, if everyone reacted to them as most are reacting to PWB's ideas in this thread: dismissing them out of hand, before even considering testing them.

with all the knowledgeable folks on the forum, i'd be interested to see the results of some controlled testing--it seems a more civilized way to either support or refute the ideas than merely repeating they're all crazy

would anyone be interested in checking some of this stuff out and reporting back to the forum with their results

What's stopping you? The ideas are free. Not everyone, but many, including myself, have heard these crazy ideas and products work.

 

[Febs]

yes, the suggestions i've read that have been posted in this thread sound crazy--but so did just about every new idea that anyone's ever had before repeatable results were shown

Exactly. Except those crazy ideas throughout our history would never have become established, if everyone reacted to them as most are reacting to PWB's ideas in this thread: dismissing them out of hand, before even considering testing them.

with all the knowledgeable folks on the forum, i'd be interested to see the results of some controlled testing--it seems a more civilized way to either support or refute the ideas than merely repeating they're all crazy

would anyone be interested in checking some of this stuff out and reporting back to the forum with their results

What's stopping you? The ideas are free. Not everyone, but many, including myself, have heard these crazy ideas and products work.

Would you please learn how to use the "quote" button?

 

[BASS SUCKS]

CK1: the greatest troll in all of history or one of the world's most clueless people? Headline story along with clay dots at 11.

Thread has been BOOKMARKED!

 

[JanusZarate]

No, the "greatest troll" trophy still belongs to The Qintar.

 

[JimmyM]

CK1, I dig what you're saying. I think it's entirely possible that putting a speaker under blue paper could improve its tone. I have a little trick I do to make my bass sound better...I step in dogcrap, then I scrape it off with a toothpick (plastic only, not wood...wood imparts its own sound to the dogcrap), then I smear it on the strings, and after every 5 minutes of playing time, I lick my fingers to re-energize it. People think I'm crazy, but I'm telling you it works. You should try it sometime. Sounds repulsive at first, but you only have to do it once a set.

 

[BASS SUCKS]

No, the "greatest troll" trophy still belongs to The Qintar.

He was before my time (even on my first account) so he isn't relevant to me. But he just might be judging by his "posts."

CK1, I dig what you're saying. I think it's entirely possible that putting a speaker under blue paper could improve its tone. I have a little trick I do to make my bass sound better...I step in dogcrap, then I scrape it off with a toothpick (plastic only, not wood...wood imparts its own sound to the dogcrap), then I smear it on the strings, and after every 5 minutes of playing time, I lick my fingers to re-energize it. People think I'm crazy, but I'm telling you it works. You should try it sometime. Sounds repulsive at first, but you only have to do it once a set.

According to my quadruple blind tests, you have to lick your fingers after 4 minutes and 44 seconds while wearing a tin foil hat doused in snake oil in order for the best possible quality.

 

[CK1]

Thank you. You don't know me and you're accusing me of being an ignorant drunk.

Exsqueeze me? Where did I accuse you of being "an ignorant drunk"?

I've actually said I'll give the ideas a go. I'm not gonna say they're a load of bushwah just 'coz *I* can't hear a significant difference - I'm aware enough of the scientific method and the need to eliminate as many variables as possible to recognise the shortcomings of the "live music" test, but to most of the TB'ers that's the place it counts.

I understand, but if you're more likely to hear a difference from a CD because it's a more consistent reference, then
then what counts is hearing the tweaks in the first place. Most people will not go beyond a first attempt if it fails, assume they don't do anything, and miss out on a remarkable phenomenon. It goes without saying that I know more about this stuff than you do, and I'm trying to increase your chances for a positive result. If you can reliably identify changes, -then- it makes sense to start to apply them to instruments and everything else. But I'm not saying you won't hear a difference in the sound of your instrument, if that's the first thing you try to test.

I will say again that what you tweak and what you apply the tweak to matters, and so does how many times you apply it.

I'm fully aware that a "real world" test actually involving playing an instrument through an amplifier, live, isn't ideal laboratory conditions. So you're saying ahead of time I won't hear a difference? I think that's being as ignorant and presumptuous as you accuse us of being.

I didn't say "you won't hear a difference". I said the way you proposed testing would be unlikely to produce any difference, and that you would falsely conclude the tweaks don't do anything. Look, I have very good listening abilities, but if I had never tested cables and you asked me discern subtle differences between cables while a jet was taking off behind my back, I will inevitably tell you cables don't make a difference. I would be wrong.

Some people think that if they put the Belt tweak on or take it off in the middle of a song playing on CD, they should hear an immediate difference. Well, no. I tell them it's not night and day like that, few tweaks are. Its generally a more subtle change. But if things get a bit more natural and smooth, you're on the right track.

Damn those sceptics; why can't they swallow anything we tell them without question? And, yes, you did use the word sceptic as a pejorative. I think you may be confusing your definitions.

I NEVER tell people to just "swallow anything I tell them". Rather, that's what I see going on a lot here. People are telling their buddies that audiophile fuses or Belt products are BS, and most are "swallowing it", without having ever tested these products themselves. I don't even know how people can pretend to have a credible opinion on products they've never seen or tried. I tell people to test things for themselves, not just to analyze their theory, believing that's enough. Sometimes the theory fails, while the product works.

 

[Febs]

I don't even know how people can pretend to have a credible opinion on products they've never seen or tried. I tell people to test things for themselves, not just to analyze their theory, believing that's enough. Sometimes the theory fails, while the product works.

If someone wants to sell me a product whose efficacy is unexplainable by any known scientific or engineering principle, then the burden is on that person to show me credible evidence that the product actually works, not the other way around.

 

[BASS SUCKS]

Earlier today in Chemistry 101 today I took an assload of chemicals and combined them together. Now everyone in the class including the professor (with a PhD in Chemistry) has told me I've made a poisonous mess but I can assure you that drinking this concoction will make you able to see through walls! I've tested the formula in octuple blind studies and I can vouch its effectiveness. I don't need a source, you have my word, I've been working in the field long enough to know what I'm doing! Hell, I've even used the uncleaned beakers from yesterday's lab to increase the field of visibility!

 

[Jamie Bishop]

My B-15 already sounds pretty awesome with my Radioshack fuses. And with my cheap-a** cables. I like think my tone comes from my hands.

 

[CK1]

If someone wants to sell me a product whose efficacy is unexplainable by any known scientific or engineering principle, then the burden is on that person to show me credible evidence that the product actually works, not the other way around.

The only "credible evidence" anyone needs to know whether an audio product works, is to listen to it themselves. If that isn't enough for you, than you have more serious problems that can't be solved by any audio company.

 

[bongomania]

It goes without saying that I know more about this stuff than you do

Epic!

 

[ashtray]

Someone's gotta sig that one!

 

[JimmyM]

The only "credible evidence" anyone needs to know whether an audio product works, is to listen to it themselves. If that isn't enough for you, than you have more serious problems that can't be solved by any audio company.

Good for you, bro. You're exactly what the snake oil salesmen count on.

If a product or procedure makes a legit change in the tone, it can be easily measured by scientific means. Period. I don't give a crap what it is. Your "only credible evidence is to listen" is ridiculous. If I hear a difference, shouldn't it stand to reason that I should be able to see the difference in a recording's waveform or on a scope?

Let's take audio cables, for example. I buy the cables that are on sale because the differences with a cheap cable and a $100 cable are very small. But despite the differences not adding up to a hill of beans as far as I'm concerned, they can be measured scientifically through their capicitance.

This quote you made here:

"Sometimes the theory fails, while the product works."

I challenge you to name one audio product ever made where the theory fails but the product works. Just one.

Where's the scientific proof that freezing cables makes a difference? Or the little pieces of tinfoil? Or these fuses? Where is the proof, dude? Not a single person is providing any evidence whatsoever of these claims with legit scientific means. You saying the only credible evidence you need is your ears is downright foolish. And this little quote here:

"If that isn't enough for you, than you have more serious problems that can't be solved by any audio company."

proves to me that you know zip about audio science. Period. If there's a difference, it can be measured scientifically. Period. If you want to believe that $25 fuses make a difference in your tone, you go right ahead. But you need to stop getting all panty-bunched because people think it's a load of crap. If it wasn't a load of crap, they would have the scientific evidence all laid out for you on their website.

 

[phatbass]

Exsqueeze me? Where did I accuse you of being "an ignorant drunk"?

"especially if you're loaded at the time"

Your other implication is I don't have any conception of testing audio equipment (assuming you'll accept that instruments, amplifiers, speakers, PA equipment, etc. count as audio), and that I don't realise the HUGE difference between what can be perceived in a quiet room designed from the viewpoint of listening to recorded music, and a live gig.

Thanks again.

 

[bongomania]

As amusing as this all is, I am now quite confident that "CK1" is yanking our collective chains. There's been an uptick in troll activity here on TB lately, and I have more than a little suspicion that our buddy here is one of our reoccurring trolls. He's having a lot of fun making us argue with him over this nonsensical stuff.

I guess everybody's got to have a hobby!