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YBA200 cutting through the live mix

GCPENG

GCPENG

Mar 7, 2017
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I've read a couple of similar older posts on this, but I wonder if there are any new thoughts on this.

I'm having trouble getting my Traynor YBA200 cutting through the mix. My starting point is to keep the mids at full and cut way back on the treble and bass. Scoop is off. Bright is off. I'm totally lost at sea about what to do with Range and Resonance.

What have you found to be useful settings to be heard in the live mix?
 
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GCPENG said:
I've read a couple of similar older posts on this, but I wonder if there are any new thoughts on this.

I'm having trouble getting my Traynor YBA200 cutting through the mix. My starting point is to keep the mids at full and cut way back on the treble and bass. Scoop is off. Bright is off. I'm totally lost at sea about what to do with Range and Resonance.

What have you found to be useful settings to be heard in the live mix?
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I always start with tones set flat and go from there. Why are you boosting the mids? That just puts your bass right in the middle of guitar territory, try boosting the bass and setting the mids and treble somewhere near the middle so the sound is below the guitars. You're never going to get presence with a bass trying to compete with guitars, you need to aim lower and play with the kick drum, it needs to be in it's own sonic space.
 
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bobyoung53 said:
I always start with tones set flat and go from there. Why are you boosting the mids? That just puts your bass right in the middle of guitar territory, try boosting the bass and setting the mids and treble somewhere near the middle so the sound is below the guitars. You're never going to get presence with a bass trying to compete with guitars, you need to aim lower and play with the kick drum, it needs to be in it's own sonic space.
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spoken like a guitarist.

Bass mids are the low end of the guitar range. Bass mids are where most of our tone resides. EQ down low end of guitars.

OP may have more success with an EQ pedal as I suspect the YBA200 has the ''Fender 2 10 2 = flat'' bollox going on.
 
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Downunderwonder said:
spoken like a guitarist.

Bass mids are the low end of the guitar range. Bass mids are where most of our tone resides. EQ down low end of guitars.

OP may have more success with an EQ pedal as I suspect the YBA200 has the ''Fender 2 10 2 = flat'' bollox going on.
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So guitar players are going to EQ their low end down so we can be louder if that's what you meant? Not in my universe. Be smart and get out of their way, a band should not be a competition. A good bass sound certainly doesn't come from diming the mid knob especially with one 210 cab, all that will do is start a volume war.
 
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GCPENG said:
Traynor 210. Usually just one.
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You need more speakers and a change to your EQ, a 200 watt tube head should be plenty with a proper cab. I use an 8x10 with a 300 watt tube amp, you want your bass to sound like a bass not like a low pitched guitar, remember you don't want to compete with the guitars, a guitar is only one octave above a bass, you need to accentuate the bottom. A bass should primarily ride below the guitars not with them, you need some mids of course but not dimed.
 
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The range control sets the point where the eq starts subtracting frequencies. Resonance is a low freq. damping control. Counterclockwise dampens and tightens the sound, clockwise lets more lows through.
Set the eq controls at full which is 'flat', play with the range control until you can hear what it's doing and then begin subtracting what's not needed. This amp will tear the heads off your bandmates and you should have no problem cutting through after some tweaking. That extra cab you have should also be used as mentioned above.
 
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I had one for a while that I used in my HS band room for stage band. I used it with a Hartke 115XL. It has a wonderful warm bottom end. The tone controls on the yba200 are much like the Alembic F!-X. Flat is (bass 2)-(mid10)-(treble 2), so boosting the mids with the yba200's pre-amp is next to impossible. I think if I was using a yba200 today I would just add an EQ pedal of some sort. Something like this: Boss GEB-7 7-band Bass EQ Pedal or Ampeg Classic Analog Bass Preamp Pedal should do the trick.
 
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Ampslut said:
I had one for a while that I used in my HS band room for stage band. I used it with a Hartke 115XL. It has a wonderful warm bottom end. The tone controls on the yba200 are much like the Alembic F!-X. Flat is (bass 2)-(mid10)-(treble 2), so boosting the mids with the yba200's pre-amp is next to impossible. I think if I was using a yba200 today I would just add an EQ pedal of some sort. Something like this: Boss GEB-7 7-band Bass EQ Pedal or Ampeg Classic Analog Bass Preamp Pedal should do the trick.
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Confirms my suspicion.
 
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JTE said:
If the bass is trying to cut through the mix, and they are trying to cut through, and the guitars are trying to cut through, there ain't no mix. Everyone on stage SHOULD be trying to fit into the mix. If the band can't grok that, no gear or EQ tweaking will fix it. Look up "frequency slotting".
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Exactly. A fight for the top of the mountain; most common with amateur musicians who have no desire to listen to what the other musicians are doing.
 
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