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Yet another SX (Essex) SJB-62 3/4 Short Scale Modification Thread

LOL, I have never found a Jazz bass (of any kind) that I like better than this Lakland. Of course, I have not yet played a Sadowsky or some really boutique-y bass, but this suites me fine.

But I think the SX's tone is still very good.

I guess my big question is...

Can anyone truthfully listen to those clips and say, "yeah, that's a short scale bass, alright," or does it sound like a jazz is a jazz?
 
I finally got around to shielding the bass with the StewMac shielding paint. Great stuff!!! Takes a while to do three coats with a day of drying time between, but wow was it worth it. I also grounded the cavities. Before, even with the hum-cancelling DiMarzio Area J's, they would still hum. After the shielding job, things are eerily quiet :hyper:

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Great thread, Gassie. This has earned a spot in my archives! Sorry to be reviving an old thread, but

Question: could you explain your shielding process a bit more, or point me to a thread/guide that you followed? I've tried the guitarnuts.com shielding/star grounding walkthrough on two separate instruments (p-bass and stratocaster), and wasn't really thrilled with the results of either. I could really go for some "eerily quiet"...
 
Hi wideyes. I read up a lot on shielding here. There is a good sticky at the top of the pickups and electronics subforum you can peruse. I hope this isn't a lame question, how did you shield your cavities? Foil? Shielding paint? The star-grounding has to make electrical contact with the cavity shielding to work in order to create a faraday cage to keep out unwanted noise.
 
My shielding method was to put DiMarzio copper tape in the control cavity, pickup cavity and pickup channel. Basically cover everything internally. I also put it on the other side of the pg. Then take all grounding wires and star ground them to one location. I found it necessary to by a package of those small 'o' rings which sort of look like this...

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use one side to fastened a screw to the bass and the other side to attach all your ground connections.

Both my basses are completely noise free using these methods.
 
Quick responses! I love this forum...

Well, it's interesting. The first grounding job was the p-bass. When I got it, the electronics were f*cked, so I replaced the pickups. It had this nasty, loud, irritating hum (unhealthy hum), so I replaced every other electonic component with quality stuff, double-checked my wiring. Still had that crazy hum. So I decided to shield it. I used tinfoil stuck down with rubber cement (sounds ghetto, but I followed a good guide at guitarnuts.com that purportedly got good results using this method). I star-grounded it and put down electrical tape to prevent ground loops. I used the little o rings a la :BASSIST: (in fact, it looks like we did a very similar setup). I even used star quad shielded wire from the jack to the pots! With all together, it now sounds controlled, but still the loudest buzz I've ever heard on a bass. Something about the setup seems to channel all the grounding into the bridge and the strings - with my hands on the strings, it's whisper-quiet, which is what makes it bearable to play. But as soon as I lift fingers off it (sometimes forgetfully during a song, for instance), that nasty hum is back. I'm stumped. There's something I've missed. I eventually gave up on fiddling with it since it was usable, but it's always nagged me ever since. I tried to take pictures, but 1). the lighting is bad in my apartment, and 2). it's a late 80's Squier II with no pickguard and the smallest, most crowded control cavity I've ever seen in an instrument. None of the photos I tried conveyed anything. Are there some common mistakes folks make that I should look for?

The second job was my old MIM strat. I went with copper tape this time (can't remember the brand), and shielded the entire cavity, star grounded, etc. I was using Lace Sensor pickups, which are known for being quiet anyway, but the shielding didn't seem to do a damn thing. It actually sounded terrible when I first plugged it in, but then I realized one of the pot arms was touching the shielded wall of the cavity. I moved it away, and the problem ceased. Sold that one about 6 months ago, so no pictures again.

BTW, Gassie, how was that fretless neck you removed from your SX? Reason I ask is I ordered an SJB-75 3/4 fretless from Rondo a few days ago and ended up not being that happy with the fretboard. It's maple with inlays, and the surface is a bit uneven in many places down the neck. I'm almost certainly returning it, and was thinking of getting the same model as yours. Is it nice and smooth?
 
Wow.

I am not sure what is wrong with yours, but I also had the problem of buzz when I lifted my fingers off the strings. Once I did the star grounding and full shield job with copper tape it was dead quiet. You might want to ditch the tinfoil and buy the DiMarzio tape which is made for this application. That might be your problem.
 
Yeah, I've been thinking about ripping everything out and starting from scratch again. What confuses me is the omnipresent loudness of the hum - I'm just not sure where the weakest link is. Pretty much the only thing in the circuit I haven't replaced is the bridge, and I've seated and unseated it many a time throughout its life and made sure it's in good contact with the ground wire. Weird. If I can't get it sorted, maybe I'll just transfer my TI flats and Nordy pickup into a spankin' new SX!

EDIT: Come to think of it, is there any reason one shouldn't use full length strings on a short scale? Apart from the obvious length difference? I'm very much enjoying my foray into the world of short scale, and may not go back.
 
Yeah, I've been thinking about ripping everything out and starting from scratch again. What confuses me is the omnipresent loudness of the hum - I'm just not sure where the weakest link is. Pretty much the only thing in the circuit I haven't replaced is the bridge, and I've seated and unseated it many a time throughout its life and made sure it's in good contact with the ground wire. Weird. If I can't get it sorted, maybe I'll just transfer my TI flats and Nordy pickup into a spankin' new SX!

EDIT: Come to think of it, is there any reason one shouldn't use full length strings on a short scale? Apart from the obvious length difference? I'm very much enjoying my foray into the world of short scale, and may not go back.
I've used 34" strings on ss basses many times with no problems. You just end up with alot of windings around the tuners. They do get 'curled' up though, so if you want to put them back on a 34" bass that might pose problems... but I've done that too and the strings went back to normal shape fairly easily.
 
Wideyes,

Looks like you've done your research regarding shielding. It still sounds like a grounding issue, but based on what you've said, I think you've done things right so far. I would suggest looking for something that's shorted out somewhere or a bad contact. If you have an ohmmeter, check to see that your cavity shielding is indeed continuous with low resistance to your ground lug.

You also might want to consider if you have some really strong noise source that is overwhelming your system - a large fluorescent ballast somewhere (fish tank?), poorly grounded apartment electrical wiring. Do your guitars have the same problem at another location?
 
Yeah, I think I'm going to have to invest in some test equipment, instead of just blindly thrashing around hoping I eventually fix it. The grounding was very poor in my old house, but I observed the same issue to a lesser degree at different locations and through different amps. I think that tinfoil's gonna have to go... Sounds like you were pretty happy with the shielding paint you got. This conversation has revived my desire to investigate the issue - thanks to both of you! It might take me a little while to track down supplies, but I'll report back to both of you with my findings and any points of interest.
 
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This is a short vid of my Doors tribute band "Brite Midnite".

You can see me play the *actual* bass in the vid!

Alas, I had to quit that band. Among other things the drummer wasn't too good (although he plays this song well) and I didnt have the heart to fire him. He's supposed to be a pro of 40 years. Guess who his son is? Daniel Adair drummer for NickelBack. I kid you not!