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Your Advice Was Helpful...Thank You

Apr 14, 2011
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Back in July, I asked TalkBass folks for their advice on reducing the weight of a Squier Vintage Modified Telecaster Special bass. I’d had the notion of drilling through the back of the bass to remove material and weight. Let’s be clear; it was an odd idea. TalkBass responders suggested removing the pickguard, drilling through the front of the bass (although not all the way through, of course), and then re-installing the pickguard. The job would be invisible.


It was easy to see the responders’ wisdom. Yesterday I took their advice and did the job as suggested. I drilled fourteen ¾’ holes as directed. Here’s what resulted:


The bass dropped about 6 ounces. Not astonishing, but it will make a difference. I’m still trying out the perception of difference. Weber’s Law would say a Just Noticeable Difference is proportional to the intensity of stimulus. So, the JND is large when intensity is high, and small when intensity is low. This may be a case in which the initial weight was too high to allow such a small change to be noticed. I’m going to live with the bass for a while. In the meanwhile, I know objectively that the weight is less.


The body is made of a wood I’d never worked before, basswood. Very easy to drill; I used a Forstner bit which is usually slow when going through a hardwood like oak. The basswood gave no resistance at all. Oddly, the wood didn’t even seem to show grain.


So far, I can’t detect any permanent problems resulting from the procedure. I had to make some intonation and pickup height adjustments, but the sound of the bass is unchanged. My worst fear was some sort of odd sound at certain frequencies. Nothing has surfaced yet.


I may still switch out the stock tuners for ultra-light tuners. I’ll decide about that step after living with the bass as it is for a while. There’s no neck dive to contend with; this is a stout-bodied bass.


Again, the advice of TalkBass responders was invaluable. Thank you.
 
Back in July, I asked TalkBass folks for their advice on reducing the weight of a Squier Vintage Modified Telecaster Special bass. I’d had the notion of drilling through the back of the bass to remove material and weight. Let’s be clear; it was an odd idea. TalkBass responders suggested removing the pickguard, drilling through the front of the bass (although not all the way through, of course), and then re-installing the pickguard. The job would be invisible.


It was easy to see the responders’ wisdom. Yesterday I took their advice and did the job as suggested. I drilled fourteen ¾’ holes as directed. Here’s what resulted:


The bass dropped about 6 ounces. Not astonishing, but it will make a difference. I’m still trying out the perception of difference. Weber’s Law would say a Just Noticeable Difference is proportional to the intensity of stimulus. So, the JND is large when intensity is high, and small when intensity is low. This may be a case in which the initial weight was too high to allow such a small change to be noticed. I’m going to live with the bass for a while. In the meanwhile, I know objectively that the weight is less.


The body is made of a wood I’d never worked before, basswood. Very easy to drill; I used a Forstner bit which is usually slow when going through a hardwood like oak. The basswood gave no resistance at all. Oddly, the wood didn’t even seem to show grain.


So far, I can’t detect any permanent problems resulting from the procedure. I had to make some intonation and pickup height adjustments, but the sound of the bass is unchanged. My worst fear was some sort of odd sound at certain frequencies. Nothing has surfaced yet.


I may still switch out the stock tuners for ultra-light tuners. I’ll decide about that step after living with the bass as it is for a while. There’s no neck dive to contend with; this is a stout-bodied bass.


Again, the advice of TalkBass responders was invaluable. Thank you.

Hey SPV

I was wondering if you ever did this and what may have been the end result. I am a little surprised that it only gave you about 6 ounces.

I wanted you to know - when Pat Wilkens stripped my Squier Vintage Modified Telecaster bass, he was surprised. Although all the Fender literature says the Indonesian made bodies are basswood, he found that NOT to be the case with mine. I suspected all along that it couldn't possibly be basswood, at least not of the type normally used in Asia - I have a MIJ basswood P bass and it is one of the lightest basses I own. Mine was heavy too, so I thought it was ash.

On the Tele bass - I have the single coil, single pickup model not the Special that you have - so I am not implying at all what kind of body wood you have - I have no idea - But I DO know what I have - and my refinished bass weighs in at 8.8 lbs.

Here is the wood of the bass completely stripped by Pat and his comments:

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"Yeah, I was surprised at the quality of the wood myself. It's alder, not ash but it's very white alder. It looks like the same alder that I buy from time to time. It's Eastern European alder and usually sounds very good. It's a little bit more pricey than standard alder but I like it because it sounds good and is just a bit lighter than standard American alder too."

So, make what you want of this but between you and me - basswood is a VERY light wood, and I suspect yours is not basswood either. As far as Fender goes, I have seen these type of errors in their literature more than once, so that part doesn't surprise me.

And the final result after Pat worked his magic:

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Hey BassHappy! How did Pat get that finish/design on the face of your tele?

Hey warrplayer

I picked out a piece of 3D quilted sapele:

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and sent it to Pat and he had a friend laminate the top:

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It was the first time he had tried it - but we were both pretty happy with the results. We chatted back and forth about the finish, and the way I described to Pat what I wanted was by calling it a "smoked copper burst." You can see the "smoky" part more on the back.
 
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