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Zero latency OCTAVE UP pedal help

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by 3_socks, Jan 16, 2017.


  1. 3_socks

    3_socks

    Jan 16, 2017
    Good Day, fellow low-enders.
    Lots of videos online for various popular and recommended bass octave pedals.
    I'm only interested in owning a pedal that can make all strings "octave up" more than once, but somehow sound as if it's the same bass.
    I don't live near an outlet where I can test and ask questions so, over to you experienced folk.
    Nick
     
  2. That's the thing that bugged me about the EHX POG : it's latency
    I think Mooer and TC Electronic both make pedals with satisfactory 'ups'
    I just use a Digitech Bass Whammy as of recently and am satisfied with the results I get...
     
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  3. 3_socks

    3_socks

    Jan 16, 2017
    Hi Sir. The word "satisfactory" is a little worrying. Are there any pedals that blow people away?
     
  4. Pardon my use of the word satisfactory..
    In fact, maybe I should have kept my mouth shut as I've never tried either of said Mooer or TC pedals.
    The Whammy blows me away but I understand it ain't for everyone
     
  5. 3_socks

    3_socks

    Jan 16, 2017
    Tough for me to choose when each pedal offers other functionality that might be fun, but octave up twice or more is the only motivation
     
  6. Jebberz

    Jebberz Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Jul 3, 2012
    Quebec city
    I use the Line 6 M5 octave up. The octave alone sounds a bit digital, but blended with the clean sound i get a nice 8 strings bass sound out of it.
     
  7. TheEmptyCell

    TheEmptyCell Bearded Dingwall Enthusiast Banned

    You mean 2 octaves up? Bass Whammy is the best
     
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  8. ChubbyJerk

    ChubbyJerk Supporting Member

    Apr 23, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Digitech Bass Whammy, TCE Sub'n'Up, EHX POG (2, Micro, Nano), Mooer Tender, ...

    All do polyphonic octave up. By "twice or more" do you mean 1 input signal taken up 2 octaves? That knocks the Sub'n'Up, Tender, Micro POG and Nano POG off the list. So Bass Whammy or POG2 if that's what you're looking for.

    None of them will sound exactly like your original input signal. They all have various pros and cons. Bass Whammy has a lot of harmony options that sound great, plus the expression pedal whammy deal is great. The Tone Print stuff on the SubnUp is awesome. The EHX options track great. The Tender is cheap. It's all a matter of preference, and you've really got to try them to see what floats your fancy.

    If you want it to sound like an actual real guitar (or bass) up one octave, the only thing that can really do that (in my experience) is some sort of modeling. Line 6 Variax has an 8-string sound that is great. Roland synth pedals (VB99, GR55 or whatever) coupled with the GK pickups can do it. That's about it, I think.
     
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  9. ChubbyJerk

    ChubbyJerk Supporting Member

    Apr 23, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Oh, maybe Pitch Fork. I've never used one of those, but they're pretty well regarded I think.
     
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  10. LSMFT6

    LSMFT6 We brake for nobody Supporting Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    California
    None
    Bass Whammy, TC Sub'n'Up and Mooer Tender Octaver are my top picks (in that order). Only the Bass Whammy does two octaves up

    Ones I wouldn't recommend (just because of latency)
    EHX Pitchfork
    EHX Micro POG

     
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  11. M0ses

    M0ses

    Sep 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    There's simply no way to do it without altering your tone significantly, though. You just have to accept it.
     
  12. 3_socks

    3_socks

    Jan 16, 2017
    Actually I'd like 2-3 octaves up!
     
  13. TheEmptyCell

    TheEmptyCell Bearded Dingwall Enthusiast Banned

    Bass Whammy only does 2 up. I think maybe the guitar Whammy (red one) can do three. Two octaves up on the B Wham is already quite 'reedy' and thin sounding (don't expect your bass to have the same timbre as a guitar suddenly, it just won't). I can't imagine going up three octaves and having it sound anything less than shrill and unlistenable.
     
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  14. Pacodelivery

    Pacodelivery Supporting Member

    May 25, 2014
    Baltimore
    AFAIK, latency is an inherent part of ALL digital pitch shifting circuits, because Analog to Digital conversion is a process that requires time, plain and simple.

    There are many digital octavers where the latency is acceptably short, or even short enough to be practically inaudible.

    IMHOP, I can hear the latency in my mooer tender octaver but it's not enough to bother me for most applications, though it occasionally does annoy me. The octave up in my line 6 m5 is much lower latency but I don't lIke the tone of it as much, and it has issues staying in tune. The latency on the boss ps-6 was way too much for me; I sold it.

    There are true zero latency analog options. Some fuzzes are "octave fuzzes" where the octave is audible, but the most convincing for me are the Dan Armstrong green ringer family of pedals.

    The green ringer is NOT a clean circuit, it's a ring mod based, biting, aggressive sound. I like it, but it's not for every application.

    Most green ringer variants simply reproduce the signal an octave up, 100% wet. The EQD tentacle and the Henrietta purple octopus are good examples. Green ringer circuits are also part of bigger octave pedals including the mutron octave divider and the foxrox octron.

    If you want to blend the octave sound with your dry signal, one of these pedals might be your best bet. The ringer circuit messes with the polarity of your signal, so it's difficult to blend back with your dry. A Boss LS-2 won't work, but perhaps higher end blenders with polarity control would work.
     
  15. mfbolton

    mfbolton Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 30, 2007
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Owner - MFB Enterprises, Craftsman - Notlob Basses
    I have the TC SubNUp and the EHX Pitch Fork. I enjoy both. I like that you can blend the original signal into them. On the Pitch Fork you can go up (or down) 1, 2 or 3 octaves. You can even go both up and down. I have not noticed any significant latency issues in my use of either pedal.
     
  16. fokof

    fokof One day ,I'll be in the future

    Mar 16, 2007
    Here
    I can do up to 4 octaves up with my VB99 , no latency (non that I can hear anyway)
    I get a guitar sim sound and add up to 3 octaves.

    Good luck finding one though !
    (and it's not a pedal )
     
  17. BassBrass

    BassBrass

    Jul 6, 2009
    Boston MA
    Digitech Ricochet is very good, it just doesn't have a 2 octave and original note, it does have one octave plus. The 2 octave sound initiates very quickly and is not as synthetic as the Pitchfork or micropog, imo.
     
  18. DDXdesign

    DDXdesign formerly 'jammadave' Supporting Member

    Oct 15, 2003
    Wash DC metro area
    Just saw this and thought I'd chime in since I've been looking at these kinds of pedals lately. The Henretta Purple Octopus, I found out, has a clean blend trimmer inside! (and one other I think for master output)
     
  19. The Boss PS-6 goes 3 octaves up in s-bend mode. It's monophonic and very digital. In pitch shift mode I can't remember how high up it goes. 2 maybe? Might be worth a look.
     

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