The differences are really in the cab sims. Each amp has a subtle sound on it's own but when you dial in the cab sim to 100 then you start hearing the difference. Also if you run the amp sims with the gain low you don't get as much character, like on a real amp, run the gain as high as you can and adjust the level after some will clip.
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Zoom b3 patch Ideas
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The differences are really in the cab sims. Each amp has a subtle sound on it's own but when you dial in the cab sim to 100 then you start hearing the difference. Also if you run the amp sims with the gain low you don't get as much character, like on a real amp, run the gain as high as you can and adjust the level after some will clip.
Collins81, I was actually just trying to see the difference in the reference sound from each amp. My goal is to build all my banks to be usable bass sounds. Zoom presets vary from mild to wild.
If your running through a poweramp and use full range speakers you can put the speaker sim to 100. That way you'll get the full sound, running speaker sims through speaker cabs doesn't give you the full effect.
The Zoom B3 as Preamp thread part1 has a lot about this.
That depends on what rig you use and bass guitar you play. However the point of this thread is sharing patch ideas and adjust the settings to your liking. You can use these patches and adjust the settings however you want. If you have some patch ideas of your own, feel free to post them here.
Regarding speaker sim level, the Preamp thread mentions running it at 100% with an FRFR setup. But I noticed a lot of the patches in this thread have it around 50% or so. I have tried both and I think 50% sounds better to me, which seems odd given I am FRFR. 100% is just too dark and boomy sounding. Just curious what thoughts folks have on that.
Leave it always at 100%.There is no reason to change it except some rare occasions.Not confusing at all.
The boomy sound is because the real cabs are boomys in real life,if the EQ settings of the amp set that way.Take this like another EQ capability of the unit.
This is a patch idea for the bass sound of the "Best Friend" from Foster the Music.Is not 100% exact,but i think you can use it for cover/demo purposes.
Name "Best Friend"
Bass : Precision bass
Volume and tone 100%
You can download the Patch from here https://www.dropbox.com/s/q0rcy6yxkrhsnnp/Best Fried.b3p?dl=0
Here is a sound sample of the patch.In the begginig you hear the real intro of the song,with cymbals,after that you can hear me playing the patch.
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Enjoy felas
Name "Best Friend"
Bass : Precision bass
Volume and tone 100%
You can download the Patch from here https://www.dropbox.com/s/q0rcy6yxkrhsnnp/Best Fried.b3p?dl=0
Here is a sound sample of the patch.In the begginig you hear the real intro of the song,with cymbals,after that you can hear me playing the patch.
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Enjoy felas
I think some of the sims exaggerate the boom a little, but the general idea is the same as real life. If it's dark, turn the treble up and if it's boomy, turn the bass down. I've not tried through a full range setup but in the end it's down to your personal tastes.
I like darker tones and have flats on my jazz but also the patch for one person will sound different for someone else, unless you have the exact same set-up and technique. Remember tone is in the hands.
I would say this is personal taste as well. I like to run my total balance around 50 so I have a completely untouched clean signal when I'm using the distortions. For example when you use the Screamer sim it loses some low end, even if you set the blend to 50 or less on the sim, it still feels to me that it still effects the clean signal.
I get much better results blending clean and dirty signals using the total blend then the blend in the sim.
This however means that no sims will effect the clean, which for me is desirable, but if you use a compressor you will have an uncompressed signal as well which not everyone would like.
You can hear a demo created with my patch "Steve Harris"
You can download the patch from here https://www.dropbox.com/s/5zccg566a42dpof/Harris Stv.b3p?dl=0
Enjoy
You can download the patch from here https://www.dropbox.com/s/5zccg566a42dpof/Harris Stv.b3p?dl=0
Enjoy
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Nice tone, especially with a so cheap bass !!
I totally agree with you regarding the total balance. It's a very usefull setting especially for the drives.
I am working on some patches based on the SVT sim with gain cranked and to add some flavor I add in front of it another dirt pedal as squeak, ds-1 or fuzzsmile with very low balance and low gain. It gives a nicer flavor to the SVT overdrive and playing with the total balance of the patch lets some clean tone keep a more focused low end.
Every dirt of the B3 used alone isn't sounding astonishing but when combined it gets really better.
With this total balance we can create a custom drive/distorsion tone and blend it with the clean tone easily.
If you were to use a patch for distortion only, using the total as your clean blend, I think it creates a better mix. It leaves the clean totally untouched and with 3 slots and the amount of sims available it gives you plenty of options to create nearly any sound you like, Crystalman85 is demonstration this pretty well.
I still need to try the VMT patch.
The SVT is nice but to me it sounds a little bland/flat (not using speaker sim) at high gain without a blend.
I made another patch for ABG basses.
You can download it from here https://www.dropbox.com/s/d6povk1vsr10o79/Acoustic B.b3p?dl=0
Example of the patch with my ABG
You can download it from here https://www.dropbox.com/s/d6povk1vsr10o79/Acoustic B.b3p?dl=0
Example of the patch with my ABG
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Thanks Ticol07
The dirts on B3 is like the real ones.You can't run it without any amp after.The total balance is usefull only if the fx you run haven't balance in there settings.This is true for my G5 when i run it with my bass.The b3 have allmost in all fx balance control so you can use this.The balance in every patch is the only reason the B3 have so limited number of total fx in a row.The G5 with the same chip inside can run up to 9!!!.The ability to balance the signal so many times is processor eater....
I didn't know that regarding the processor.Thanks Ticol07
The dirts on B3 is like the real ones.You can't run it without any amp after.The total balance is usefull only if the fx you run haven't balance in there settings.This is true for my G5 when i run it with my bass.The b3 have allmost in all fx balance control so you can use this.The balance in every patch is the only reason the B3 have so limited number of total fx in a row.The G5 with the same chip inside can run up to 9!!!.The ability to balance the signal so many times is processor eater....
But what I mean is that it's not tonally the same to create one distorded tone in a patch then blend the Total patch with the clean signal as blending each pedal.
You can have more subtle effects and still play with the balance of each pedal.
And, I always come back to the SVT model because it's the only with which I have the feeling that the overdrive acts on the whole signal. With the other overdrives / distorsions models I always have the sensation that the harmonics are generated on a higher register. And they, to my ear tend to sound thinner. It can sound nice but doesn't fit to some of my tonal goals.
So, the ability to blend the SVT with a clean signal is a nice feature for me. And the SVT model has great eq capabilities, which helps to get the better settings.
Adding another drive before the SVT with this kind of use really gives a fuller and richer flavour.
And I can have a very dirty signal as I will blend it.
But it's a bit complicated to set : so many options !!
In my case I noticed that when I use drive I like to have some push in the low mids / mids (in the 500/800 hz area). It's what come through the best when playing with my band. High mids and highs tend to fight too much with the guitar, so if I want to be heard by pushing them I have to push them a lot and it can sound too agressive.
Yes,we agree.There is no wrong way to use this machine.The total balance is there for that reason.For me,is the most last one setting i play with,if play with it at all.
We have two ways to follow.One is to replicate a "real" rig,with the chain of effects like the real ones.In this case we must follow the real ways as we do with real pedals.This is because the amp and effect sims is produced copying the real one electronic circuits and behave like real ones.The other way is to play with all the functions of the board to make any sound is good to our ears.For exable,with real SVT,we never have to blend the raw signal of our bass with amped one,thinks we do in the studio,but never in Live situations.In my opinion OFC
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