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112+210 vs. 112+112

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#101
Got a pair of ears and two hands on the bass. Should be sufficient.

You strike me as someone who strives for some absolute ultimate something. Well that dont exist, you better trust yourself and the rig you found closest to your needs and tonal taste and just make it work baby.
 
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Rea said:
BTW, Schroeder makes all kinds of combined driver size cabs... whats not to like...?;)
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Schroeder cabs have acoustic engineers that use the drivers' published Thiele/Small parameters, computer modeling, and their experience to accurately calculate what drivers to mix with what other driver for a particular result. They are engineered for a specific predictable response, not just a guess.
 
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yes- there is that too... not sure how scientific it all is btw, can be hype... however there you have it. a mix is not new to anyone, especially if you like that mix. who cares? i need more mids- boom 210's. i need more sub - boom 118. mix em up and make music i can cry and dance to. Bypass the thought process and go with the spirit- it should get you to destination faster.
 
#104
In a nutshell, if you are playing for yourself, who cares. If you have FOH support, you are playing for yourself and perhaps the first few rows. If no PA support, what you think sounds cool to you on stage in no way guarantees it will sound good out in the house.

The principles suggested here are not rocket science, just sound principles (no pun intended). Why waste time trying to re-invent the wheel. You will go broke, and most likely be dead before you find the goldilocks of two different cabs that work well together. The permutations are unfathomable.

Keep it simple, use same cabs (or engineered to be stacked) if you want a stack. This will free up so much more time for you to play your bass now.
 
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#105
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Gotta admit that;) no one ever did and never will btw,,,
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Rea said:
Got a pair of ears and two hands on the bass. Should be sufficient.

You strike me as someone who strives for some absolute ultimate something. Well that dont exist, you better trust yourself and the rig you found closest to your needs and tonal taste and just make it work baby.
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The point that I am trying to guide you to is this.

Your process is a scientific one. Hate to break that to you. You do an experiment, and listen for the results. You continue to swap out components until you find something you like.

Science!

What the "science crowd" is doing is taking that guess work out of the equation. You know you like some piece of gear? Why? Once you have some specifications that are measurable, and meaningful, you can communicate that to someone else in a meaningful manner. You can also use that to guide you to a future gear choice, even if you have not played it in every venue you have or may play.

Doing things by experience or science is the same route. The science just lets you communicate that in a way that is meaningful to someone else.

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yes- there is that too... not sure how scientific it all is btw, can be hype... however there you have it. a mix is not new to anyone, especially if you like that mix. who cares? i need more mids- boom 210's. i need more sub - boom 118. mix em up and make music i can cry and dance to. Bypass the thought process and go with the spirit- it should get you to destination faster.
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This right here is a perfect example. Not ever 210 sounds the same. Not every 118 sounds the same. There are 210's that go lower than most 118's. There are 118's that dont have a lot of lows. Which one should you pick?

The lack of thought process, and how to communicate your findings, doesnt help anyone else. It may not even be helping you.


I dont strive for "perfection". I have different gear that I use in different settings, for different purposes. That gear has been chosen based on specifics, that are measurable by science though. It also means that my statements, and feelings, about that gear can be translated to someone else. And help them to make a decision.
 
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When you cook, will you use the salt you have, even if its not the best in existence and move on, or would you not use salt at all until you find the ultimate one as suggested on all gourmet cooking forums?

Thats just too much blah blah for me. I go for the sound that i like and brings me close to my goal, and tackle each situation on its own. Seriously board with the idea of a safe ground... It dont float my boat son. Trust your ears- not what people say. THE golden rule in creativity.

Do you think that before the invention of blah blah forums people did not get the sound they wanted...? i doubt it.
 
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Rea said:
When you cook, will you use the salt you have, even if its not the best in existence and move on, or would you not use salt at all until you find the ultimate one as suggested on all gourmet cooking forums?
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As someone who has worked professionally in a kitchen for the past 10 years, put them self through college and grad school doing so, this may not be the best example to make your point. ;)

If I am cooking something for the first time, I would follow the recipe. Then use science to deduce if that needed modification.

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Thats just too much blah blah for me. I go for the sound that i like and brings me close to my goal, and tackle each situation on its own. Seriously board with the idea of a safe ground... It dont float my boat son. Trust your ears- not what people say. THE golden rule in creativity.
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Thats all well and good. But then your presence here is a waste. You neither want, nor are capable of interacting with others in a meaningful way on this forum, be it giving or receiving advice.

I dont honestly think that is the case here, and it would be a shame to loose anyones experience on this forum. The key to conveying that experience is in meaningful terms.

"I like what I like" doesnt help anyone if you cant tell them why, and help them understand what works for you.

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Do you think that before the invention of blah blah forums people did not get the sound they wanted...? i doubt it.
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Maybe so. That doesnt mean that others can not benefit from the experiences posted here.

You didnt build your bass and amp from scratch did you?
How are you fully experiencing the true art if you didnt?
 
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Closed for review based on reports.

Further discussion on topic is here
http://www.talkbass.com/threads/mixing-speaker-cabs.600951/
as well as in the speaker size section on page 2 of the FAQ's stickied at the top of the Amps forum.

I don't think I would be incorrect to say that this topic is not a new one, and plenty of information as well as differing
POV's are available on the topic here in this forum accessible through a simple topic search.
So let's put away the torches, pitchforks and outrage.
 
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