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112+210 vs. 112+112

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#41
The bigger advantage to using a pair of 2x10 is when you put your mic on it the FOH sound doesn't need re-EQing nearly as much.

I'd be very surprised if you can't dial in the same amount of warm bottom from a pair of 2x10 that you get from 1x12 + 2x10.

Of course there is the possibility that the particular blend of phasing that you get from those two cabs is what spins your wheels. Then you need two mics and a spare 15 minutes at sound check. Good luck with that.
 
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#42
Exactly- like you say, its the combination that works. Its not like i am after some "Pure" tone. Im into a color, and it sounds quite close at this point, with a 2x10 and a 1x12. The 210's have a very focused defined sound and the 12 adds the nice, less defined, pillow underneth. Can almost call it a mix of vintage blur with modern focus, I think next is a 2 channel amp to control each cab's level independently
 
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Rea said:
So why are they sold as a horizontal orientation...? And while on that, can you explain why vertical should work better?
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I don't know. Ask every large P.A. company why they do it. Multiple speakers, all lined up vertically and no speakers of different sizes share frequency bands. Shure figured it out in the 50's with the Vocal Master P.A. Why are so many of the highest of high end home stereo speaker in a columnar format?

Vertical speaker orientation narrows the vertical dispersion. It keeps the sound off the ceiling where no one is sitting and helps spread it out to the sides where people probably are sitting. Using all the same speakers avoids destructive interference that cause unpredictable peaks and dips in frequency that others have alluded to. Vertical orientation of one size of speaker creates a more idealized slice of cake shaped wavefront that is more phase coherent and lessens the loss of volume over distance. It's simply closer to ideal in fidelity and efficiency over haphazard mixing of driver size and side by side orientations. Can you "get by" with "less ideal"? Absolutely. Pink Floyd sounded absolutely great with the now outmoded Turbosound point source arrays they used to use. They'd sound even better with a modern line array.
 
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#47
What you are describing is an audiophile attempt to reproduce an "ACCURATE" picture. I am trying to distort it to my liking...
Why dont you ask Hendrix what he's doing with that fuzzface...its probably ruining his phase alignment
 
#49
guitar is not bass. different rules (or lack thereof) apply, assuming the goal is actual strong, fat, balanced low end, you know, bass.

you've only been here a couple of days, you definitely want to do some more reading; search "mixing cabs" or "matching cabs" or "4x10 and 1x15", you'll see that every point you've made so far has been brought up over and over, as have all the responses; hell, i've only been hanging out here for a few years and i've already seen this exact argument, unfolding in this exact way, more times than i can count.
 
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#50
Google it up if your interested in my career.Most chances that bigger gigs then you last
2 annoying posters will ever dream of. Cant believe im even answering you guys, on top of being rude your not even intelligent... whatever
 
#52
Look- One thing your years of wasting your time on boards did not teach you- YOUR EARS ARE THE ONLY TOOL IN MUSIC, Not all the BS people tell you here as if it matters, or as if there are rules- but perhaps you are not cut out to understand what art is all about, In which case keep praying to your preachers... i guess that's how you like it.
Free your mind buddy. You seem in stress.
 
#53
A while back several here had posted that using a stack of an Epifani UL110 and and a UL112 sounded much better than a stack of (2) UL110s or a stack of (2) UL112s, and in fact thought the combination was fantastic. This shows that mixing cabs with different driver sizes is not inherently "wrong" and doesn't automatically mean that they won't sound good. It is true that a given cabinet is generally engineered to sound the best it can by itself (or along with additional cabs of the exact same type), so it is impossible to predict what an unmatched pair of cabs will sound like unless someone has actually tried the exact pairing you may be curious about, or of course if you try out that combination yourself. But I would say go ahead and try it if you're curious. Even though mixing unmatched cabs (even of the same driver size) is admittedly unpredictable, you may wind up with a combination that suits your needs - or is even magical.
 
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#54
The mere thought that something like this can be right or wrong is so ridiculous! were talking about making noises according to taste THATS ALL.. this is not heart surgery, there is no right and wrong... do you really believe there is..? is this some kind of a freaky cult or something...? How did i get here...?
 
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Mugre said:
I don't know. Ask every large P.A. company why they do it. Multiple speakers, all lined up vertically and no speakers of different sizes share frequency bands. Shure figured it out in the 50's with the Vocal Master P.A. Why are so many of the highest of high end home stereo speaker in a columnar format?

Vertical speaker orientation narrows the vertical dispersion. It keeps the sound off the ceiling where no one is sitting and helps spread it out to the sides where people probably are sitting. Using all the same speakers avoids destructive interference that cause unpredictable peaks and dips in frequency that others have alluded to. Vertical orientation of one size of speaker creates a more idealized slice of cake shaped wavefront that is more phase coherent and lessens the loss of volume over distance. It's simply closer to ideal in fidelity and efficiency over haphazard mixing of driver size and side by side orientations. Can you "get by" with "less ideal"? Absolutely. Pink Floyd sounded absolutely great with the now outmoded Turbosound point source arrays they used to use. They'd sound even better with a modern line array.
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QUIT IT! You're talking e-n-t-i-r-e-l-y too much sense! You're only confusing things :).
 
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There is science, and it has to do with physics, yet there is art, and what art , every art form does, is taking science and bending it, abusing it, exploiting it, in order to comment on ones life. That's art in a shell. Its that simple. Otherwise its, well, just science.
Therefore, where the fancy analysis ends is where art begins. Artists of the world unite! mix and match cabs to your heart content!!! Do not listen to the ney sayers. THEY ARE SCARED!!!!!HAHAHA

What do you think the fancy word "feel" means? merely one playing off the absolute grid because thats what he " feeeels". Same with these bloody cabinets bro
 
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