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112+210 vs. 112+112

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sloppy_phil said:
Well, chipping in now is slightly moot since you've got your new cab (congrats, btw!), but I was at a similar crossroads a while back. Downsized a 4x10 to a 2x10, and then even went down to a 1x12. Had the 2x10 still kicking around, and tried pairing them up. The sound was alright, but nothing too special. It seemed like maybe they weren't going to play nice with each other when I started to turn the volume up a fair bit (though I didn't get to test this with a band), so I ended up grabbing another 1x12. No regrets here. Hope you find yourself similarly lacking!
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Exactly same here.... Much happier w 2 x112. But that just me
 
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So after I first joined little while ago had a Gs112 and then bought an Eden XLT210 after 20 years using an Eden XLT410

Everyone here said don't mix and why go Eden. Got all angry, ignored experienced advice and ended up hating my rig live

Finally dumped them both at a nice loss and bought some GB Neox112s and couldn't be happier

For me, and just for my experience.... Should have listened. I was still in the 90s and it all changed up when I took a break

FWIW
 
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Second day of playing with this config of 112+210, trying out things, playing with each cab separately and together-
no doubts that they are very very different from each other and create a stew that 2 similar cabs of either wouldn't have.
They compliment each other beautifully, in my opinion, but again- this is really about what you hear in your head, so i cant even recommend it, its just good for me.
Very happy with this mix of tones.
 
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Hey- The room is 400SFT so im walking around. Did not try 2x112 in this room. But how would 2x112 give me the color of a 210+112? the 210 has such insane presence that the 112 just dont have in its nature, yet its a little too "jaco'y" and in your face- thats where the 112 comes and blurrs it a bit and puts a pillow underneath. there is really more then one strive when it comes to this thing, and since 2x112 will sound different then 210+112 i suppose its all about taste at this point.
 
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Rea said:
Hey- The room is 400SFT so im walking around. Did not try 2x112 in this room. But how would 2x112 give me the color of a 210+112? the 210 has such insane presence that the 112 just dont have in its nature, yet its a little too "jaco'y" and in your face- thats where the 112 comes and blurred it a bit and puts a pillow underneath. there is really more then one strive when it comes to this thing, and since 2x112 will sound different then 210+112 i suppose its all about taste at this point.
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Non science argument for science...

How do you know you prefer the current set up over a matched set of 12's, or 210's for that matter, if you have not tried them?

Lets both agree that your ears know what is good and what works. So how do you know those matched rigs dont please your ears better in that kind of setting? Maybe you do, maybe you dont. Maybe you prefer one over the other, depending on the room/venue? I dont know, you wouldnt either if you had not tried it in every combination of cabs and setting.


For me, that is the biggest argument for matching cabs, and the science behind them. Consistency. If you know one cab works for your sound, then adding a second is a sure way to get more of what you know you already like. Adding in unknowns, in terms of speakers, increases the challenge you may have at a gig. The venue itself can be an unknown, which is unavoidable. Some of us dont want to add to that challenge.

Back to your example, your pairing works for you, in the venue you are listening to them right now. What happens when you get to a venue that it doesnt sound quite right? Your cabs are going to take EQ differently, hopefully you have enough EQ to make both cabs sound "right" on a problem stage. For me, I have had enough issues with that kind of problem, to start looking for a different solution.
YMMV.
 
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You ask why not muliply the cab you like? well, because i like both cabs for different things, and together they make the cab i like

Sure- Agree that one thing may sound good in one venue and not in another, but then again, that can go both ways.
However, "consistency" is not the word here in my opinion, its rather "concoction"- drop in the flavors you like and mix to taste- thats why the next stage for me is a bi amp or a 2 channel amp- so i can mix them in the balance i prefer. .

Since im a record producer/mixer, im used to mix many sources, some very weird on their own, in order to create the end sound i am after.

And about the ability to try all other options, have you been with all the women in the word before settling for your current lover?
 
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I wise man once said to me, "I like shrimp. I like icecream. I probably wouldnt like shrimp icecream."

Concoction is the right word for it. A two channel power amp will let you mix levels, but you will need two separate EQ's to mix tonalities. That is one big argument for matching cabs, they will respond to your eq the same. Have you ever played your amp through a cab and loved your tone, then gone and played through a different cab with the same settings, and not been impressed with out some changes?

I generally dont have time to run home/studio and grab different gear before a gig after soundcheck. So if I get caught with flavors that are not working at the gig, I am stuck with it for the night. Sure I can make due, and probably only matters to me. That said, my preference is to avoid that.

That isnt supposed to be condescending to those that mix cabs and like what they hear. But it is impossible for me to tell them, "You will like the combination with this cab, at all venues that you may play." If they like the cab they have, then a second is sure fire way to get more of what already works for them.

As for women, I would say most men have to settle for a woman foolish enough to put up with them. Not the other way around. Doesnt mean I dont look either.... ;)
 
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Rea said:
You ask why not muliply the cab you like? well, because i like both cabs for different things, and together they make the cab i like

Sure- Agree that one thing may sound good in one venue and not in another, but then again, that can go both ways.
However, "consistency" is not the word here in my opinion, its rather "concoction"- drop in the flavors you like and mix to taste- thats why the next stage for me is a bi amp or a 2 channel amp- so i can mix them in the balance i prefer. .

Since im a record producer/mixer, im used to mix many sources, some very weird on their own, in order to create the end sound i am after.

And about the ability to try all other options, have you been with all the women in the word before settling for your current lover?
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Maybe that's the best solution - get a 4ohm cab for your lower tones - maybe a 115 or a 118, then get an 8 ohm cab for the highs - maybe a 210, right? Now pair it with a GK800RB. Two separate power sections, with a crossover built into the amp.

(And yes, there are deep sounding 210s and fast, punchy sounding 115s. I know. But it's not your gear so how much should you really care if you disagree?)
 
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cchorney said:
Maybe that's the best solution - get a 4ohm cab for your lower tones - maybe a 115 or a 118, then get an 8 ohm cab for the highs - maybe a 210, right? Now pair it with a GK800RB. Two separate power sections, with a crossover built into the amp.

(And yes, there are deep sounding 210s and fast, punchy sounding 115s. I know. But it's not your gear so how much should you really care if you disagree?)
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Yep- Along those lines generally
 
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CL400Peavey said:
, but you will need two separate EQ's to mix tonalities. That is one big argument for matching cabs, they will respond to your eq the same. Have you ever played your amp through a cab and loved your tone, then gone and played through a different cab with the same settings, and not been impressed with out some changes?
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Not necessarily. You may treat the combination of cabs you liked and chose as a one big speaker and eq that to taste. From my very long experince on stages and in studios i can safely say that thing are way simpler then they may seem in the text books. Just go for the sound and hit it. Dont think it. Since this is a discussion board where words are spilled but music is not made, there is an inherent tendency to articulate in words what the "best" is, bit hey, its about music. Whatever makes your clock tick, right?
 
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Rea said:
Not necessarily. You may treat the combination of cabs you liked and chose as a one big speaker and eq that to taste. From my very long experince on stages and in studios i can safely say that thing are way simpler then they may seem in the text books. Just go for the sound and hit it. Dont think it. Since this is a discussion board where words are spilled but music is not made, there is an inherent tendency to articulate in words what the "best" is, bit hey, its about music. Whatever makes your clock tick, right?
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But how do you know that one eq curve will work for both cabs, in every setting you may play?
 
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