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112+210 vs. 112+112

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#61
Rea said:
Look- One thing your years of wasting your time on boards did not teach you- YOUR EARS ARE THE ONLY TOOL IN MUSIC, Not all the BS people tell you here as if it matters, or as if there are rules- but perhaps you are not cut out to understand what art is all about, In which case keep praying to your preachers... i guess that's how you like it.
Free your mind buddy. You seem in stress.
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Is that directed at me? My musical achievements are nothing to crow about, but they sure benefit from what I know about sound. Other local bands get my help for free, as do you. But you're still coming off as a troll.
 
#62
Rea said:
There is science, and it has to do with physics, yet there is art, and what art , every art form does, is taking science and bending it, abusing it, exploiting it, in order to comment on ones life. That's art in a shell. Its that simple. Otherwise its, well, just science.
Therefore, where the fancy analysis ends is where art begins. Artists of the world unite! mix and match cabs to your heart content!!! Do not listen to the ney sayers. THEY ARE SCARED!!!!!HAHAHA

What do you think the fancy word "feel" means? merely one playing off the absolute grid because thats what he " feeeels". Same with these bloody cabinets bro
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Erroneous.
 
#64
I must say, I've rarely seen so much unnecessary defensiveness and so many irrational red herring arguments over a simple principle of acoustical science. Because that's all this is: Just a simple statement of a scientific truth that may or may not be relevant to one's individual playing circumstances, depending on a number of possible criteria.

That's it. Heed it or ignore it, accept it or reject it, it doesn't matter: The principle itself remains true regardless of what any of us thinks about it. We can choose to understand it - and apply it for successful artistic/creative effect, or choose to remain uninformed, and take our chances. It really doesn't matter how many manufacturers have been building cabs with mixed drivers, nor how many years one has been using those cabs, nor how many booties are shaking on the dance floor.

Nobody is trying to take away anyone's precious mixed-cab or mixed-driver rig. Nobody is saying that you must not use it. Nobody is trying to say that anyone's individual rig definitely won't work. Nobody is trying to destroy anyone's creative spirit, nor sap anyone's mojo. Nobody here is trying to take away anyone's "fun". It's just a useful piece of knowledge to use as you see fit...or not.

MM
 
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Mystic Michael said:
I must say, I've rarely seen so much unnecessary defensiveness and so many irrational red herring arguments over a simple principle of acoustical science. Because that's all this is: Just a simple statement of a scientific truth that may or may not be relevant to one's individual playing circumstances, depending on a number of possible criteria.

That's it. Heed it or ignore it, accept it or reject it, it doesn't matter: The principle itself remains true regardless of what any of us thinks about it. We can choose to understand it - and apply it for successful artistic/creative effect, or choose to remain uninformed, and take our chances. It really doesn't matter how many manufacturers have been building cabs with mixed drivers, nor how many years one has been using those cabs, nor how many booties are shaking on the dance floor.

Nobody is trying to take away anyone's precious mixed-cab or mixed-driver rig. Nobody is saying that you must not use it. Nobody is trying to say that anyone's individual rig definitely won't work. Nobody is trying to destroy anyone's creative spirit, nor sap anyone's mojo. Nobody here is trying to take away anyone's "fun". It's just a useful piece of knowledge to use as you see fit...or not.

MM
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Nutshell. ;)
 
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Mystic Michael said:
I must say, I've rarely seen so much unnecessary defensiveness and so many irrational red herring arguments over a simple principle of acoustical science. Because that's all this is: Just a simple statement of a scientific truth that may or may not be relevant to one's individual playing circumstances, depending on a number of possible criteria.

That's it. Heed it or ignore it, accept it or reject it, it doesn't matter: The principle itself remains true regardless of what any of us thinks about it. We can choose to understand it - and apply it for successful artistic/creative effect, or choose to remain uninformed, and take our chances. It really doesn't matter how many manufacturers have been building cabs with mixed drivers, nor how many years one has been using those cabs, nor how many booties are shaking on the dance floor.

Nobody is trying to take away anyone's precious mixed-cab or mixed-driver rig. Nobody is saying that you must not use it. Nobody is trying to say that anyone's individual rig definitely won't work. Nobody is trying to destroy anyone's creative spirit, nor sap anyone's mojo. Nobody here is trying to take away anyone's "fun". It's just a useful piece of knowledge to use as you see fit...or not.

MM
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The only wrong thing in your comment is the context. i did not start this thread to get a science lesson. I had a very specific thought and wanted to hear if anyone in particular tried it and how it worked for him. Otherwise science is cool and fun. Nothing wrong about it... its just the wrong thread...
You make it look as if I am changing the subject while its the other way around really... Go back and look.
 
#68
Downunderwonder said:
Open forum enquiry, why be rude to repondents? I have acknowledged your preference for the combined tone of the 1x12 + 2x10 stack. That only covers a bar gig. Have at it.
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I may have become rude when i was disrespected as that do not fly with me.
and if you are trying to insult me, not very successfully, then, Indeed this rig is for my living room play and for local bar gigs. i know what i like on large stages. A wall of Ampeg, and thats why for years i was endorsing them.
 
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Rea said:
The only wrong thing in your comment is the context. i did not start this thread to get a science lesson. I had a very specific thought and wanted to hear if anyone in particular tried it and how it worked for him. Otherwise science is cool and fun. Nothing wrong about it... its just the wrong thread...
You make it look as if I am changing the subject while its the other way around really... Go back and look.
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I was simply trying to correct the false impression that the science could not possibly be relevant to your particular question. And maybe dispel a fallacy or false dichotomy or two in the process.

MM
 
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Of course science has to do with everything- to the point its not even necessary to mention it, and remember, science is the explanation after the fact, not the other way around. Science conforms to the events which preceded it. Its an after thought really. When i am searching for a sound i do not think in scientific form. I just keep it in mind, but certainly not letting it discourage me from the search. This method proved very successful over the past 25-30 years of career.
 
#74
Rea said:
I can tell you that when i am listening to each Cab on its own and then together i can tell exactly what each contributes to the final picture. What is this? doubtfest? are you guys out of your minds? Ive been making a living with these ears for 30 years. Find another tree to bark at.
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Like said before- mixed drivers get people wound up and snooty on TB. Don't know why, but every time the subject comes up, folks bristle up!
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Rea, glad your rig sounds good. If it sounds good then it is good.

The science is the starting point. After than comes the choices and compromises of the designer, then the choices of the musician.

This lot will be lecturing you on the "true path" until the electricity runs out and your PC quits for the last time. In the meantime you'll be making good music and having a ball.
 
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I now gig a SWR 210 Go Light (turned vertical) with a Markbass 112 on top. I like to BREAK ALL the rules, as not only am I mixing driver sizes, I have the bigger driver on TOP! ;-)

I get told to turn down my volume quite a bit as well, haven't turned my GK MB200 head much more than half way yet.
 
#79
I'm with Rae on all of this.

He asked for first hand experience, not lab results.

Unless you are pumping out sine waves in an an anechoic chamber, EVERYTHING is a compromise. How much time do you spend during set up figuring out the optimal place to set up your rig? It must take hours.

As for me, I'm gonna relax, plug in and freakin' play.

Sheesh - have fun gigging in your lab coats, guys.
 
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